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Post by cfoo on Mar 16, 2007 7:15:53 GMT -5
If you had to choose 4 who would they be? That seems like such a small #, since our entire team outside of Pierce and Wally are young. I think Rondo has to be a keeper. Jefferson obviously. Then you have Gerald, Tony, Delonte, Gomes, Telfair, Powe, Perk, Ray. I think Delonte and Gomes are starting to reach their potential. Tony was before he got hurt. Gerald still has a lot of room to grow. So does Perkins. Powe's ceiling isn't that high but he will get better and is pretty much on the level of Delonte and Gomes as far as talent. If I'm looking at upside Rondo, Jefferson, Green, Perkins, Telfair probably in that order. Rondo, Jefferson, Green, Perkins will fullfill their potential imo. I'm not that big on Telfair as you know. Delonte, Gomes, Allen are very good roleplayers and probably fall in line with what Powe and Perk will ultimately be. Plus there is Ray lol...... If I'm talking about players that seem to have that special something its Jefferson, Rondo and Green.
I dont see why we have to get rid of the likes of Delonte and Gomes though. That's the thing with Doc is people say he's not doing what he's supposed to. Delonte and Gomes have been here a couple years and are already what they should be ultimately. Doc has developed these guys. Jefferson is that as well now. Allen started to reach his potential before he got hurt. Perk has had some issues and hasn't come along yet. Green is a highschooler and in his second year. Rondo and Powe are rookies. So to me it seems like everyone is pretty much on schedule. It took Gomes and West a year before they became what they should be. Jefferson it took a couple because of injuries. Allen the same. Same goes for Perkins plus big men sometimes take a bit longer. Green is very green and that's an excuse in itself. NExt year we will really see what Rondo and Powe can do. I expect Perkins and Green to really come along as well. Maybe that means trading Wally, Allen and Telfair off I don't know. I hate trading Tony, but we might have to. As green emerges and if Ray does some things, we might not have room for these guys.
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Post by eja117 on Mar 16, 2007 8:40:45 GMT -5
I'd rank it as
1 Jefferson ... absolutely necessary. The only thing potentially more important would be if we actually landed Oden or maaaaaayyyyybbeee Durant.
2 Rondo....have you seen what an NBA team looks like when run by a Chris Paul or a Steve Nash? When Rondo is on it's like that
3. GG....he is ahead of where TMac was and is not tooooo far behind where Kobe was
4. Tie between Perk and Delonte. It seems like every single time we win Delonte had something to do with it and when we lose Delonte is the one that kept it close. He is totally underrated. He was born to play this game. There is no real reason he can't someday play in maybe one all-star game. He is intimidated by no one. He is awesome. BUT. ... have you seen how important it is to have a good, big, defensive center? Have you seen how hard it is to come by? They both have injury issues. When Perk is good he takes a ton of pressure of fAL J. When Perk and AL are good the team is dominant against almost anyone. Cause then all we need is Delonte to be good and PP to be himself.
The next most important guy is TA cause for a month there we nearly had an all-star. Plus he plays awesome d. But I agree with what Derren said about 6 ft 4 guys making me a little uncomfortable and so keeping an eye on Julian Wright
Next is Gomes cause he has accomplished so much and helps and keeps getting better. Gomes knows he could barely do anything and have a nice 6 year career in this league but he'd rather work his tail off so he can get 15 mins per night.
Powe is in a similar situation. He can play. We all know it. But how much?
Ultimately we need Gomes and Powe to be our 11th and 12 men. A team like that is almost impossible to beat.
I think Bassy is done. I think Allan Ray has a lot of talent, but will ultimately have a hard time sticking, but cause of unjuries and whatnot is an asset. He may hook on somewhere else at some point. I like him. I just don't see much play time for him.
At some point guys like Wally and Scala and Gomes and Powe have to just not play much and we can't see that as a disaster cause it's not. It's actually really really good.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 16, 2007 15:06:04 GMT -5
Keeping 4 is really tough. I agree that Delonte contributes a lot to our wins, and will continue to do so now that he doesn't have to constrict himself to just PG duties. He's at his best as a combo guard--like he is now. Gomes is another guy who contributes to our success. Ironically, though these 2 guys have been in the league for only a short time (as long as Jefferson and Gerald), they seem to be veterans.
If Ainge can hold onto them, that is fine by me.
Perk does have room to grow and improve, and though I don't see him being an outstanding Center, I do think he has the ability to be a productive 5. Holding onto him is also a good thing.
These 3 I consider to be in the same class. If we can hold onto them and still add better players to the team, that's good for us.
Jefferson, Gerald and Rajon are in the same class. Jefferson is the only one so far who has really impacted the team for a considerable stretch of time. But I feel that Gerald and Rajon will be able to also. Gerald may take the longest of the 3 because he's really got to sharpen his ball handling and improve his penetrating ability. Rajon adds to almost every single facet to the game and just needs to work on his shooting. His instincts are off the chart.
Telfair, Powe and Ray are in the same class. Their future is up in the air. They certainly do have talent--but will they be able to surpass the players in front of them? Rajon has pulled ahead of Telfair in the PG battle, so Bassy has to really work on his game to make up ground (which I believe he can). But Rajon will continue to improve as well so that gap may be hard to make up. Leon can be a really solid bench player, but he has to battle Jefferson and Gomes for playing time--and that won't be easy. Powe is too short to play Center (though he can get by for short spurts). Ray is a lights out shooter, and I like this kid. But he has to beat out Delonte and that's a hard task.
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Post by cfoo on Mar 16, 2007 15:46:43 GMT -5
Yeah you pretty much nailed it and I agree. Jefferson, Rondo, Green have the special something. West, Gomes, Perk are those rock solid roleplayers. Powe, Ray, Telfair have more ? marks but are decent roleplayers potentially. Allen is kind of an enigma.
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Post by meangreen on Mar 17, 2007 9:55:22 GMT -5
Eja, I like Tom Izzo, though Im not at high on him as I would be Donavan, but Id like him over Calhoun of UConn. I even heard some1 say that they think Donavan's 2young 4this team  , which is an interesting pt, worth debate. I think the discussion on who 2keep is interesting, though 4would be limiting yourself or ourselves. If you plan on keepin Doc, itd'b almost a losing situation 2ask him 2coach a new team in reality 2keep his job. Let's say he did it, now the question is did Doc all of a sudden get it and it clicked and NOW HE'S the guy 4us 2get over the hump? If not then what 'bout the new coach comin in? I wouldn't want 2get rid of players that the new coach could use in thier system. I think a guys like Telfair and Rondo would be great in Donavan's system. Rondo's had flashes under Doc and Telfair's had a hard way 2go. I think both of 'em are better in an open system than more of a half-court system which Doc it seems likes 2use. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 17, 2007 13:58:23 GMT -5
Doc preaches one thing, but doesn't implement them. When he first came aboard, he said defenses was one of the top priority. But throughout his tenure here, the comments he's made and what's being displayed on the court seems to indicate that defense is not as high on the list as he made it sound like it was. He even said that we were going to push the tempo and so far, he's favored the slow down halfcourt set up. And what ever happened to the 'small ball' gameplan where we'd use our speed and backcourt quickness to attack teams?
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Post by meangreen on Mar 17, 2007 14:31:44 GMT -5
Sounds like we're of the same mind Dmatts  . Im interested though who would u like 2c as coach? |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 17, 2007 15:04:30 GMT -5
I have no idea, MG. I like offense and would like to continue to build upon that part of our game. But we really need to become better defensively, and if we can find a coach who can do these things, I'm up for that.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Mar 17, 2007 17:08:19 GMT -5
If I had to choose four youngs to keep.
1. AlJeff. Duh.
2. Rondo. He hasnt shown a lot yet, but you can tell that there's something there.
3. Green. If for nothing else, his trade value.
4. Perk. This was a tough one. I had a hard time choosing between Perk and West. But when in doubt, go big. It's easier to find a serviceable tweener guard than it is to find a servicable Center.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Mar 17, 2007 18:56:34 GMT -5
No fair... I want to keep them all. But if I had to pick just 4 I would take Rondo, Perk, Big Al and Green. But I also want to keep Gomes, West, Powe, and Tony.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Mar 19, 2007 1:35:26 GMT -5
al, gg, rr - untouchables for various reasons.
prefer also to hold on onto perk, west, and tony. however if the right deal comes around wouldn't hesitate to move them.
don't care about the rest
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Post by meangreen on Mar 21, 2007 18:09:42 GMT -5
Whoever wrote the prologue "our secreat weapon" THANK U ;D ;D ;D!!!!!!!! Ive been sayin that 'round my parts the whole season ;D. I don't know how we have any supporters of Doc on this site . That opening can be written just 'bout every throughout Doc's coachin career. Ive debabted w/other Cs fans 'bout y we should just cut our ties w/Doc and just start w/a new coach. Doc serves absolutely no purpose here and now this idea of just toyin w/the line up is a sign 2me that he might know the writtin is on the wall 4him. Ive been clamorin 4Billy Donavan 2b our next coach, no new news there, and Id love 2hear other names that Cs fans would like 2have here, but Ive not heard 2many. Here are some other reasons as2 y Donavan might leave Fla. Fla is a football school and fans don't really travel 2support the baskeball program, I heard on the Heard on ESPN radio that practically no1 showed up in the big easy 2support the team. Ive heard his name rumored 2b 1of the guys that the Univ. of Mich is lookin 2hire, so we wouldn't be the only opportunity thatd'b out there 4Donavan if that's true and I don't know y they wouldn't consider hiim. Also people here and on other message boards have sited that a large sum of money would be required 2pull him from Fla. My response is SO WHAT!!!! 1. Its not OUR money 2. If u want a coach w/some kind of status ur goin 2have 2pay him a few bucks, I mean we're not hirin Doc Rivers, M.L Carr, Johnny Davis, etc here. No coach is goin 2get any respect makin pocket change 'cause players'll see right through him and are more inclined to see him as a puppet or just a figure head than some1 the team really supports. Let's just say goodbye 2Doc and move on 2a REAL coach. |
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Post by eja117 on Mar 22, 2007 13:39:47 GMT -5
I think it was Gary Tanguay who last nite said Gerald hasn't answered the bell, and I'd have to agree. In his last 13 games his play has been virtually unacceptable.
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Post by ferbo on Mar 22, 2007 21:05:49 GMT -5
He was good against Dallas in Dallas.
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Post by mev17 on Mar 22, 2007 21:40:37 GMT -5
I tend to think of the players in tandems. I keep West and Rondo, because as of late they have shown the signs of being a very solid back-court combination. Rondo's defense, penetration, pass-first mentality and rebounding can really spark the team, and it helps tremendously having a SG who can not only hit the J but can also pass and handle the ball as well. Plus West himself is good for some rebounds and blocks here and there, creating more fast breaks.
Likewise, I keep Jefferson and Perkins, because with Perkins posting up more 10+ rebounding games as of late, and with his solid defense, there have been times where he and AJ have the look of a powerful C/PF combo who can control the paint. Lately they've been combining for close to 20 boards a game, which is very impressive and something I've been waiting for for years (enough of Blount/LaFrentz or Blount/Waltah front lines!!!)
Allen I love off the bench as a tenacious defender and energizer off the bench. Next comes Green to groom as the heir apparent for Pierce. Gomes I am fond of as a solid backup down low (gives us a different look, and can be used as a 3 man rotation with AJ and Perk).
Powe is a solid hustle guy who we should be able to keep as an end of the rotation player, as he won't demand a big salary to keep. Ray I am afraid is a SG in a PG's body. Telfair IMO won't be happy as a back up PG so it may be mutually beneficial to part ways with him.
In summary, my top 4:
Rondo/West
Jefferson/Perkins
Would try and also keep:
Green
Allen
Gomes
Solid depth for insurance:
Powe
Expendable:
Telfair
Ray
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, which is an interesting pt, worth debate. I think the discussion on who 2keep is interesting, though 4would be limiting yourself or ourselves. If you plan on keepin Doc, itd'b almost a losing situation 2ask him 2coach a new team in reality 2keep his job. Let's say he did it, now the question is did Doc all of a sudden get it and it clicked and NOW HE'S the guy 4us 2get over the hump? If not then what 'bout the new coach comin in? I wouldn't want 2get rid of players that the new coach could use in thier system. I think a guys like Telfair and Rondo would be great in Donavan's system. Rondo's had flashes under Doc and Telfair's had a hard way 2go. I think both of 'em are better in an open system than more of a half-court system which Doc it seems likes 2use. 
. Im interested though who would u like 2c as coach?
