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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 12, 2016 11:03:19 GMT -5
Troubled players that fit our needs... Demarcus Cousins - No question about his being troubled. But like you said, maybe IT is vouching for him.
Blake Griffin could be considered troubled after the punching incident last season. But I just don't want him. Doesn't fit the culture on the court.
Okafor could be considered troubled after the fights he got in last year.
I can't think of any scorers that would be considered troubled... Not offhand anyway. Maybe Lance Stevenson but he's not really considered s scorer.
curiouser and curiouser as Alice would say....
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 12, 2016 13:30:40 GMT -5
As long as we can get this player without sacrificing too much of our core, and mortgaging away our future.
I heard one scenario is trading away both Crowder and Smart. Boy, that takes away a lot from our defensive identity!! They are the two who really invigorate energy on defense and set the tone. Do we really want to trade both away? That's a tough pill to swallow for me.
What about trading away Brooklyn's draft picks? I mean, I can see trading away a high lottery pick, only because superstars are hard to come by, and unless you have the top pick, you really don't know. We had the 3rd pick this year, but do I see Jaylen Brown turning into a star? No.
But this draft was about Simmons and Ingram. In '17, it may be more than a 2 player draft. Do we want to miss out on that?
Cousins is still young (26 years old), and he scores, rebounds, passes, steals, blocks. He can hit his free throws (so no hack-a-Boogie), and his range extends to the perimeter.
Would he be better than anyone we might be able to draft in '17? Probably.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 12, 2016 15:46:10 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of rumors, with some being from credible sources, that say that Blake Griffin is the player the Celtics are targeting right now and that the talks have some traction. I've seen Crowder + Johnson + pick for him rumored. I sure hope not. First of all, I don't want Griffin. He's a me first player who is too much of a diva. I would rather have Crowder and his defense on the wings and then go for a free agent next summer. Or keep trying to get Cousins. Okafor would be an upgrade but not the star we need.
Also Griffin will be a free agent next summer. They would need to get a guarantee that he will resign or he could be gone and I can see him being the kind of player who would leave.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 12, 2016 16:10:22 GMT -5
From Dan Lifshatz on Twitter (98.5 Sports Hub)
As many of you have guessed, the player I was speaking about was indeed Blake Griffin. There has been traction on a deal for him.
Celtics and Clippers are still talking. There is a holdup on the deal. I do not know what it is. Package would include at least one BRK 1st
Do not know other aspects of the deal. Celtics have also talked to Kings about Cousins, price is too high, but its possible as well
For those asking why I can drop the name now, its because the source deemed it okay at this stage. Thats why. Thats how sources work
The likelihood is one or multiple of Smart, Crowder, Bradley will be in the deal as well. No I do not know who exactly
I do believe as part of the deal Griffin will have to be willing to pick up his player option, much like Love did for CLE
Just so you know....Doc loves Bradley
That's it from him. He's a credible source but nothing he says there says that we will get either player but does tell me that there is indeed some fire in the Griffin trade talks.
Just rephrasing a tweet, Celtics WOULD only get one of Cousins/Griffin. Neither are a certainty
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Post by afceltic on Jul 12, 2016 17:07:40 GMT -5
IDK if I like Griffin enough to give up a [HASH]1 and either or both of Crowder and Bradley. They can have Smart and a mix of picks or other guys than those two and I could talk myself into liking it.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 12, 2016 17:20:56 GMT -5
I agree. They should definitely keep Crowder and next year's BKN pick if they possibly can. I really don't like Griffin that much. I think Rozier can replace Smart after what I have seen out of him in SL. He has improved a lot since last season. But the Celtics shouldn't give up the core of this team, especially the defense if they can at all help it. Griffin isn't worth that much in my opinion. He's not proved himself to be a team player.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 12, 2016 17:26:20 GMT -5
I wonder if Brad Stevens is the one who can bring the best out of Blake Griffin? Something that Vinny Delnegro and Doc didn't really accomplish (at least IMO).
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 13, 2016 21:37:04 GMT -5
No way do I give up Crowder Bradley and a first round pick. How do you replace Evans. Bradley and crowder..
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 14, 2016 11:35:10 GMT -5
I agree oldtimeball! That's too much to give up especially if he's only here for a year or at most 2. The Celtics need to play for a couple years down the line to be contenders. We have a 48 win team that added a 4 time all star that fills needs the team has. Add a couple of other pieces who are not necessarily super stars but who fill needs and we may have the beginnings of a championship team. Give them a year to gel together and when the super teams falter the following season, the Celtics will be right there to pounce.
The Pistons proved that they didn't need a trio of super stars to win a championship. The Celtics basically have what they did. Very good players who fit well together and who play very tough defense. Add a little more offense and we are there. Don't give up the farm for a so called super star who couldn't bring a championship to their old team so have no proof that they can bring a championship to the Celtics.
It's all about chemistry and luck. Both Westbrook and Griffin have been surrounded by other stars and very good players. They both seem to have chemistry problems with their team and both seem to be selfish players. That just scares me a bit on both of them. I'd take them if we didn't have to give up much to get them but I don't want to give up the core of this team to bring them in. That's kind of like taking one step forward and three steps back.
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 14, 2016 15:20:31 GMT -5
I agree. But want to add that Westbrook is way better than Griffin..
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Post by jmost on Jul 14, 2016 19:25:10 GMT -5
It's feeling like a trade for Blake Griffin IS going to happen, and fairly soon. Now we'll see what the cost is.
... 5 minutes later:
And now it's all being denied. Why do I torture myself?
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 14, 2016 19:58:49 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing jmost! Chris Mannix and Steve Bulpett have both said that there are no talks right now about either Westbrook or Griffin and even that neither is available right now. I just have to stop believing all the people posting "imminent trades" and ignore it all until something actually happens.
Mannix did say that Okafor is still available and a possible trade target. He also mentioned Love and Butler but then again this week they said that Butler wasn't available any more. It's all too much to understand. I'll just wait until they announce a trade and then I'll get excited. Until then it's all just noise.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 14, 2016 20:30:16 GMT -5
But I find entertainment in it  I like playing out these scenarios in my head. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 14, 2016 20:32:31 GMT -5
it drives me crazy!
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Post by jrmzt on Jul 15, 2016 6:18:13 GMT -5
So many rumours...like we heard all along before the draft, danny was trading for this and that and this..until something substantial comes along, its all "sources" and "possibilities".
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I like playing out these scenarios in my head.