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Post by eja117 on Jul 27, 2005 19:20:34 GMT -5
maybe the Pats should bring back Bledsoe and the Sox should bring back Nomah. They can join AW in a parade of lovable Boston losers. I'll be at the parade of lovable Boston winners
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Post by sprash98 on Jul 27, 2005 19:38:37 GMT -5
Wow. Some really good points there. I'll have to agree with fresh here. Old habits die hard. And unfortunately for the chucker, he has too many old, bad habits. He begins by showing a glimpse of the new Toine, and then inexplicably reverts to chucking threes and taking bad shots. He has no lift, cant play D, cant make layups, doesnt want to pass on fast breaks and still thinks shooting is his forte.
Maybe Obie was the worst thing that could happen to him. But he is a deeply flawed player who doesnt recognize his strengths and doesnt want to listen to anyone. He has talent, but his head needs to be screwed straight on EVERY possession.
Yes, the team will be worse off without him, but I rather watch them go to the lotto instead of cursing at the TV and throwing down my remote after each brick put up by the chubby chucker.
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Post by Jambr380 on Jul 27, 2005 20:53:41 GMT -5
Well, obviously I am in the minority here, but I have to say that when Antoine came back last year and the Tics went on a roll, that was as exciting for me since the good old days. All these young guys have potential, but will they show it? Paul and Antoine have given their all for this city and everyone wants to see them just move on- especially Toine...
And btw, Antoine's ball handling ability most certainly won't be replaced at the Power Forward position- nothing even close on this team, or the NBA for that matter. I may overrate the guy a little bit, but you guys underrate him. He was brought back to take the heat away from Paul, which is apparently what he did...the youngsters aren't ready to take over.
Also, clearly Antoine has worked his !!!GREENIAC!!! off, as he is 20-30 lbs lighter and even quicker than he used to be. He is decisive and players listen to what he has to say because there is so much passion (sincere) there.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 27, 2005 21:37:35 GMT -5
Most of us don't hate AW. We just want him to fit in on another team. I just want the guy to make 3-6 ft jumpers or runners. I don't want him showing Al and the other kids 'the ropes'...His hands are burning as he slides down the rope now. Jambr... We understand your pain.  Peace ;D |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 27, 2005 22:54:03 GMT -5
No, you are misunderstanding my post. His ball handling will be replaced by guys who should be handling the ball--PG's and SG's. We shouldn't have to rely on a PF to help bring the ball down the court.
I guess the way I see it is like this--say that there is an incredible violin player who loves to shred and rip amazing solos with stellar speed and uncanny accuracy. This violinest is the type of musician who can put on concerts by himself and dazzle crowds for hours with his Van Halen style of violin playing. But this violinest signed up with a 70 piece orchestra who plays beautiful classical arrangements, whose style does not mesh with his own. Rather than playing blazing arrangements that showcase his exceptional talents on the violin, this orchestra plays music that incorporates every single of its 70 musicians and creates music that favors the listeners who appreciate slower, melodic music. The talented violin player tries his best to fit in, but slowly, you can hear him start to stick out among the other 69 players, as his playing isn't in sync with the others and he begins playing louder and stronger than his fellow musicians. Soon, to add some excitement to his boredom, he begins to add a bit of his own flavor, playing some notes higher, adding a trill here, some arpegios there, and standing out more often. If not controlled, he'll wind up totally creating his own solos during the arrangements and altering the flow of the music.
This is not to point out that the violinist is a terrible player for wanting to be his own star. But like the violinist, Walker needs to understand what it takes for him to make us better is to play his part, and fit in. Its not about handling the ball and taking three pointers. Its about rebounding, defending, shooting high percentages, and being a professional.
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Post by celtics4ever on Jul 28, 2005 5:23:09 GMT -5
Great post, Derren. I agree with you 100%.
Walker has always been productive but he hasn't always been efficient. If one looks past the stat lines and gauges his potential ability. I for one. have always thought he could play better. This isn't a matter of expectations either its simply AW makes some bad choices mainly in playing D and shot selection in my book. It will be a great case of what could have been to me .....
Why don't other teams not snatch Walker up, Jambr? They doing us a favor? Or do they see him as we do? A talented productive player who is very inefficient in his game and not dedicated on D or in the gym.
Just read the Heat may want him today. But that is what one month into free agency. He would be a good fit there for him and maybe even win a ring. Now who could they offer in a sign and trade otherwise is MLE for him.
But we may resign him, I think. Ainge is going to get him cheaply which is the smart thing to do if we take the plunge on him at all!
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jul 28, 2005 11:55:20 GMT -5
Can we get away with letting Walker go for no compensation?
My answer is we will take a step back, perhaps back to the lottery next year. Then we will have to trade away the rest of the veterans: Pierce, Blount, and RD.
In that sense, we need to try to improve with Walker or clear some cap room next summer with expiring contracts.
Pierce is potentially a real problem child for us - If Walker goes - Pierce will want out of here, too.
I suspect the correct solution is purge the team from the Ga$ton regime completely and go forward with the Ryan Gomes and the Delonte Wests and the Tony Allens of the world.
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Jul 28, 2005 12:03:35 GMT -5
With the draft picks we could have next year. Are any players coming out next year that interest you guys? I'm impressed at guys like Adam Morrison, Rajon Rondo, and Josh Boone. I think Boone could possibly a better center than Perk.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 28, 2005 12:43:37 GMT -5
1 Can we get away with letting Walker go for no compensation? 2 My answer is we will take a step back, perhaps back to the lottery next year. Then we will have to trade away the rest of the veterans: Pierce, Blount, and RD. 3 In that sense, we need to try to improve with Walker or clear some cap room next summer with expiring contracts. 1 We will get compensation. Extra cap room. 2 We already want to get rid of two of these guys 3 Walker IS an expiring contract |
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Post by Jambr380 on Jul 28, 2005 20:57:44 GMT -5
I forgot to read who wrote the violin post halfway into it, and I was like, "it must be dm"...very nice post, but I do tend to disagree a little. I don't think Antoine wants to be a "star" per se. I think he wants to win. Everyone would agree that he is VERY competitive player. He may have resorted back to his old ways...somewhat...at the end of the season, but it wasn't because he was selfish. The start of a new season, a nice talk to understand where he stands, and change in his role could be just what he needs...
As for wanting the "Gomes" era to come, why didn't the other 50 something teams in front of us take him? I like our young players, but they have a LONG way to go.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 28, 2005 21:01:50 GMT -5
Q, why do you think Ricky will be gone?
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Post by Jambr380 on Jul 28, 2005 21:05:34 GMT -5
Ricky is pretty essential these days. With all these other rumors, I thought Ricky was pretty safe. Unless we get someone REALLY good, I don't particularly want him gone. It's not like last summer when people were debating between him and Jiri...it really was never a debate, in my mind, and I am glad Danny saw it through the right way...
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 28, 2005 21:08:36 GMT -5
I asked Quinielabox. And for once I agree. Jiri was the one to go. He was hopeless almost. Ricky has 10X more talent.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 28, 2005 21:20:09 GMT -5
Great post Derren. As well as C4.
Most people like Walker to a certain degree, but want him to fit the system. Also, C4 stressed this one word: efficiency. 6 of 20 from the field for 18 points is not being efficient.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 28, 2005 21:28:55 GMT -5
Thats terrible. Ruben Patterson could even shoot better than that.
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