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Post by jmost on Jun 25, 2018 20:42:26 GMT -5
My gut says he stays. For reasons I don't claim to understand, Brad and Danny seem to value him pretty highly and so will match any offer. It will surprise no one that I think that's a mistake.
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Post by eddietours on Jun 26, 2018 8:17:41 GMT -5
i think He stays
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 5, 2018 21:47:26 GMT -5
According to Mark Murphy:
Marcus Smart Frustrated He Hasn't Heard From Celtics In Free Agency
JUL 5, 2018 9:49 PM
Marcus Smart and his camp are still waiting to hear from the Boston Celtics in free agency.
Smart is frustrated by how the Celtics haven't reached out to him.
“He loves the Celtics, but with these crickets he’s hearing, he’s hurt and disgusted by it,” said the source.
The market for restricted free agents like Smart has been soft.
“I don’t think that bothers Marcus as much as no communication from Danny (Ainge),” said the source.
Danny Ainge declined comment on Thursday.
Boston's only tangible bid remains their $6.05 million qualifying offer.
“He would have thought there would have been some kind of three- to four-year deal from them to show they’re interested,” said the source. “But the qualifying offer is the only one he has received, and there’s been no talk since free agency opened. He’s most disappointed that there has been no reaching out from their end.
“He’s just hurt and frustrated that Danny hasn’t reached out. That’s the most discouraging part of this whole thing. The last contact was a few days before free agency started.”
MARK MURPHY/BOSTON HERALD
Hmmmm..... that's kind of interesting. I'd think being the top notch organization like we are, and Danny, Austin and Zarren being courteous guys, that there'd be dialogue between us and Smart. I'm surprise there hasn't been dialogue.
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Post by jmost on Jul 6, 2018 5:41:35 GMT -5
Didn't it go down the same way with Tony Allen - who ultimately left for Memphis? Didn't TA say that he felt disrespected?
Danny is not going to bid against himself, either in money or years. With Smart basically having plateaued, and TR3 still improving rapidly from year to year, and with Kyrie a free agent next summer, it makes more sense to sign Smart for one year (if at all) and then see where we are next summer. If you sign Smart long term it limits your future options. I don't know there is a nice way to say that; hence the silence.
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Post by jmost on Jul 6, 2018 5:41:45 GMT -5
Didn't it go down the same way with Tony Allen - who ultimately left for Memphis? Didn't TA say that he felt disrespected?
Danny is not going to bid against himself, either in money or years. With Smart basically having plateaued, and TR3 still improving rapidly from year to year, and with Kyrie a free agent next summer, it makes more sense to sign Smart for one year (if at all) and then see where we are next summer. If you sign Smart long term it limits your future options. I don't know there is a nice way to say that; hence the silence.
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Post by runrondo on Jul 6, 2018 8:55:10 GMT -5
Why would Danny bid against himself? I wouldn't expect much dialogue there. I think Smart thinks he's more important to this team than he is - Danny is not gonna hand out money or years for loyalty/emotion and players should know this by now.
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Post by jmost on Jul 6, 2018 21:02:58 GMT -5
The thing is, if Danny were to maker an offer of 8 million per year for 4 years, that could wind up being seen as just as insulting as no offer at all - especially to a guy who thinks he's worth a lot more. Danny is letting the market set the price for Smart - which I think is absolutely the right thing to do. If someone steps forward with an offer that Smart signs, then we can decide if we want to match it. It's just good business.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 6, 2018 22:52:30 GMT -5
I think Smart, if hurt, is hurt no teams wanted him, outside of the QO.
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Post by jmost on Jul 9, 2018 6:33:35 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised that, in a league full of dumb GMs, no one has made Smart a big offer. He may very well be with the Celtics next year for the QO. Quite a come down from what he was expecting.
If Danny really wanted Smart on board long term he'd offer him a multi-year deal this off-season regardless of what other teams do. Not doing so, signing him for one year, and letting him become an unresticted free agent next summer, tells me he's not sold on Smart.
Meanwhile, Bird is tearing up the summer league from what I read. If I woke up one day and saw that Smart was gone and we signed Bird to an NBA deal I'd be fine with it. MUCH higher ceiling.
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Post by runrondo on Jul 9, 2018 8:48:05 GMT -5
I'm shocked and didn't think of the negative outcome of having Smart sign for cheap and potentially be disgruntled about it. I don't think he'd do that at all, but I'd be pissed if I had to sign for considerably less.
I'm not sure about Bird having a much higher ceiling than Smart (Smart's defense and build really is a big asset IMO) but, offensively, Bird can definitely bring more in shooting. Smart is a career 36% shooter and 29% 3pt shooter - that's crazy especially considering he's the only poor shooter I've ever seen with no confidence issue in shooting up so many shots (9.5 shots per game last year!).
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Post by jmost on Jul 9, 2018 9:32:47 GMT -5
I figure you can always teach defense, and Bird is a superior athlete so he should be able to learn. Granted he might not have the motor Smart has on D, but then again he might. He's 2" taller than Smart, with a 1" less wingspan.
I'm just not a Smart guy. I think those who are, like him for the same reason they liked Perk - heart and soul - but for me that's nice but not enough.
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Post by runrondo on Jul 9, 2018 10:21:59 GMT -5
Interesting, i never really think about which aspects you can teach more easily (clearly getting a shot is extremely difficult), but I think I would easily take a cheaper/longer contract with Bird the more I think about it. I think losing Smart would be an addition by subtraction for the way this team is set up. There's very little room for someone who can't shoot and isn't a top passer in the NBA (ex. Simmons, Rondo, Ball can still be effective because they're great passers and finishers around the rim). I don't think Smart fits the bill as a passer/PG or as a shooter. In that case, I do think Bird fits more as a type of player we'd need on the team and he probably wants to grow and doesn't expect a big role. All pluses.
I loved Perk, but that team was soooo different - We were so rugged and physical that losing Perk did seem like a major blow to the unity of that team. I don't see that issue with Smart here.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 9, 2018 17:58:33 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised that, in a league full of dumb GMs, no one has made Smart a big offer. He may very well be with the Celtics next year for the QO. Quite a come down from what he was expecting. If Danny really wanted Smart on board long term he'd offer him a multi-year deal this off-season regardless of what other teams do. Not doing so, signing him for one year, and letting him become an unresticted free agent next summer, tells me he's not sold on Smart. Meanwhile, Bird is tearing up the summer league from what I read. If I woke up one day and saw that Smart was gone and we signed Bird to an NBA deal I'd be fine with it. MUCH higher ceiling. Vlade still has a salary cap to mismanage. Two alternative thoughts: 1. GMs are not interested in 1-dimensional players. 2. GMs think Smart's FG % might be even worse outside of Steven's system. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 9, 2018 22:00:49 GMT -5
Word out of Vegas is that the Kings are preparing to offer Smart an offer sheet. They offered LaVine 4 years 20 million and so who knows what they would offer Smart.
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Post by mev17 on Jul 9, 2018 22:37:14 GMT -5
Word out of Vegas is that the Kings are preparing to offer Smart an offer sheet. They offered LaVine 4 years 20 million and so who knows what they would offer Smart. I just read the same thing. If it is anywhere in the ballpark of what they offered LaVine, I think it would be a mistake to match the offer, and I don't think the Celtics will. Anywhere in the 17-18 million per year range would be too much for a defensive specialist, and given how most players seem to over-perform under Stevens, I do not believe he will ever develop a better shot if he hasn't by now. He may put up some ugly numbers in Sacramento, especially if he plays as if he needs to justify a big money contract. |
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