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Post by jmost on May 30, 2018 19:57:54 GMT -5
My mistake. You wrote Jaylen and for some reason I saw Jayson. Jayson is now somewhat playoff-proven and more of a sure thing, Jaylen is still more of a "potential" guy. Given that, I'm rethinking your proposal and it's a lot more tempting. Like a lot of fans, I tend to fall in love with young guys and draft picks, but if we could land a top 5 center, it just might be worth it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 30, 2018 20:07:58 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority but I really want Smart back. He works hard and I can see him being a better shooter next year. He always seemed to be the designated shooter at the end of quarters to give a half court heave or at the end of shot clocks. I often thought it's because he wasn't worried about his stats like a lot of guys are. I remember the games when he was out and the Celtics struggled on defense. He is very important to the defense, which I believe is what sets them apart from the other teams. Smart's toughness and energy are important to this team. Rozier doesn't bring anywhere near what Smart does. Smart has said that he wants to come back and that Danny and Brad were talking like he would be back. I guess it will depend on whether Smart wants to be back enough to sign for less than he thinks he is worth. I really don't see anyone offering him 14 million. I really hope Danny brings him back. I want Smart back, but at the right price. My thinking is, I'd rather he be on our side, than on someone else's, and causing havoc against us. He is a big force defensively. But also an offensive liability. |
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Post by jmost on May 30, 2018 20:22:29 GMT -5
This is kind of random, but if any of you are Red Sox fans, you'll understand. Marcus Smart and Jackie Bradley Jr are similar. Both are really good defensive players who at times kill their team on offense. It's always an interesting question: how much are the great defensive players worth? How much pain are we willing to accept on offense in order to get that defense in there?
I'd love to know how many minutes the Celtic brass foresee being available for Smart and Rozier if everyone is healthy. Are we going to be so good that we can play our bench a lot against weaker teams?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 3, 2018 11:25:42 GMT -5
Smart is a great defender, however he never made an all-defense team, and he always had to take 10-13 shots @35%. Also, his shot showed no improvement.
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Post by mev17 on Jun 3, 2018 20:08:11 GMT -5
My concerns about Smart are his well commented upon offensive flaws and the fact that once everyone is back I don't see him earning 30 min a game unless Brad is so blindly pro-Smart that be plays him above better players like Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Kyrie and IMO Rozier (who has a much better shot and is almost as good defensively). Given how we want to also bring Baynes back and put off reaching the luxury tax I am not sure there is a big enough role for Smart to be worth 10+ million
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 3, 2018 21:43:28 GMT -5
My concerns about Smart are his well commented upon offensive flaws and the fact that once everyone is back I don't see him earning 30 min a game unless Brad is so blindly pro-Smart that be plays him above better players like Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Kyrie and IMO Rozier (who has a much better shot and is almost as good defensively). Given how we want to also bring Baynes back and put off reaching the luxury tax I am not sure there is a big enough role for Smart to be worth 10+ million Smart 35% + Morris 35% do not win teams titles. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 15, 2018 12:07:15 GMT -5
Question for discussion:
Is Marcus Smart not "offensive" enough?
We know his defense can be downright offensive, in that he has no regard for his opponent's physical well being when he's defending him. But as far as putting the ball through the hoop, does Smart do it enough, and do it efficiently enough to warrant keeping him?
We've got this decision to make because, as we are looking to go more and more versatile, we need as many 2-way players we can get to fill our roster.
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Post by jmost on Jun 15, 2018 17:42:00 GMT -5
Smart's offense is plenty offensive to me! I just don't see how you can have him playing major minutes on a contending team.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 15, 2018 17:47:47 GMT -5
Here's why I brought this question up (although now I'm thinking we're keeping Kyrie, so it no longer applies):
If Kyrie is gone, let's say in a package to get Kawhi (again, my thinking now is having both together on the team), can Smart be the starting PG on a starting unit that has Horford, Tatum, Kawhi and Hayward? In other words, is there enough offensive firepower around him so that his limitations will be masked?
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Post by jmost on Jun 15, 2018 18:22:14 GMT -5
If he was smart enough to realize that he should be the very last option on every possession, then maybe. But I have not seen any progress on his part in recognizing his own limitations. I still him shooting 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, even when surrounded by great shooters.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 15, 2018 22:37:59 GMT -5
If he was smart enough to realize that he should be the very last option on every possession, then maybe. But I have not seen any progress on his part in recognizing his own limitations. I still him shooting 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, even when surrounded by great shooters. Great point! Why does not Coach Stevens see this limitation too? |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 15, 2018 22:44:19 GMT -5
If he was smart enough to realize that he should be the very last option on every possession, then maybe. But I have not seen any progress on his part in recognizing his own limitations. I still him shooting 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, even when surrounded by great shooters. Great point! Why does not Coach Stevens see this limitation too? Both Ainge and Brad have consistently said they don't mind Smart taking shots (though sometimes they will say it wasn't the ideal shot). Brad says that Smart is capable of hitting big shots, and he trusts Smart. Ainge said that if Smart doesn't take shots, teams will not play him honestly (like how they would sag off of Rondo). By taking shots, even if he's only hitting 30% of them, still makes the defense play closer to him. They have to respect him hitting it. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 16, 2018 10:31:08 GMT -5
Teams sag off of Smart anyway, and dare Smart to take a low percentage shot, and he does. Why does Smart not post up? He did in college.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 19, 2018 13:16:35 GMT -5
According to Mannix, the Nuggets, the Pacers and the Kings are showing interest in Marcus Smart.
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Post by afceltic on Jun 19, 2018 13:34:07 GMT -5
Let them have him.
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