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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 28, 2018 21:54:42 GMT -5
One big thing to factor into the equation is Smart's emotional leadership. He lights the fire under our players and he raises their energy level up.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 28, 2018 21:56:10 GMT -5
All in all, though he says he's worth more than 14 mil, that doesn't mean he won't stay for less. This team is on the verge of championships, and he's one of the reasons why.
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Post by jmost on May 29, 2018 6:17:21 GMT -5
Well, if he is resigned, and I have a feeling he will be unless someone makes a crazy offer, I just hope the return of Kyrie and Gordon means a smaller role for him. Fewer minutes, fewer shots, and less time running the offense.
Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that the one area they don't trust Brad is that he trusts Smart too much, and I agree. Smart should be used in small doses, to inject energy, maybe to slow down a hot scorer, but not for big minutes as a main cog of the offense. This year the injuries gave us no choice. We have a chance to have an elite offense next year if it isn't ruined by having the wrong guys shoot.
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Post by dilligaf53 on May 29, 2018 8:44:07 GMT -5
I'm also thinking trading Gordon would be bad for your attempts at future FA, oh i get hurt and you just ship me off?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 29, 2018 10:27:57 GMT -5
Brad is a coach who gives his freedom to his players on offense. Going back to Jordan Crawford, then we had Evan Turner, and now Smart and Morris -- these guys weren't ideal shotmakers, but Brad's found success with them.
I'm still on the fence with Smart. The guy makes winning (and sometimes hurtful) plays. I don't want to pay him too much, but I think we're better with him, then we'd be without him.
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Post by eddietours on May 29, 2018 11:53:27 GMT -5
we not trading Hayward , i Hope smarts stays no other team will give him the freedom on the offensive end of course for the right amount  |
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Post by freshnthehouse on May 29, 2018 16:25:12 GMT -5
Hence my idea to sing and trade him with the Sacramento pick to get KAT from Minny. Thibs would love him and see his defensive value especially if they make the rumored trade of Wiggins for Derozan as they wouldn't need him to score next to Butler and Derozan. That isn't nearly enough to get KAT. Dude is like 22 and just made the all-nba 3rd team. Youd have to throw in Tatum into that offer to get Minny to even think about that deal. |
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Post by jmost on May 29, 2018 16:56:56 GMT -5
Another factor with giving big money long term to Smart is the way he plays with complete disregard for the health of his body. We may love it as fans, but it's going to lead to more injuries and possibly a shorter career. Bird probably lost years off his career by diving after balls.
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Post by jmost on May 29, 2018 17:18:03 GMT -5
Pretty good article on the various possibilities for Smart. www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/05/29/4-outcomes-for-marcus-smart-in-free-agencyEspecially interesting to me is that this is a bad year to be a free agent, but that two years from now will be much better, because a lot of crazy contracts handed out two years ago will be expiring. Bottom line is that Smart and the Celtics may compromise on a short-term 2 year deal at about market rate (approx $24 mil). Smart gets to be a free agent in two years again when more money will be available, and the Celtics get to take his contract off the books when other players come up for new deals. Makes sense to me. |
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Post by Roadrunner on May 29, 2018 22:52:22 GMT -5
Pretty good article on the various possibilities for Smart. www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/05/29/4-outcomes-for-marcus-smart-in-free-agencyEspecially interesting to me is that this is a bad year to be a free agent, but that two years from now will be much better, because a lot of crazy contracts handed out two years ago will be expiring. Bottom line is that Smart and the Celtics may compromise on a short-term 2 year deal at about market rate (approx $24 mil). Smart gets to be a free agent in two years again when more money will be available, and the Celtics get to take his contract off the books when other players come up for new deals. Makes sense to me. I posted before that Smart is worth about $10-million, same as Roberson (OKC). |
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Post by afceltic on May 30, 2018 3:38:59 GMT -5
Hence my idea to sing and trade him with the Sacramento pick to get KAT from Minny. Thibs would love him and see his defensive value especially if they make the rumored trade of Wiggins for Derozan as they wouldn't need him to score next to Butler and Derozan. That isn't nearly enough to get KAT. Dude is like 22 and just made the all-nba 3rd team. Youd have to throw in Tatum into that offer to get Minny to even think about that deal. I think Brown/Smart/Sac pick plus one more first round pick is a good start to get KAT. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 30, 2018 11:20:47 GMT -5
That isn't nearly enough to get KAT. Dude is like 22 and just made the all-nba 3rd team. Youd have to throw in Tatum into that offer to get Minny to even think about that deal. I think Brown/Smart/Sac pick plus one more first round pick is a good start to get KAT. Ok, question for you all. If we had to sacrifice Jaylen, and also move Smart (a sign and trade) and 2 potential lottery picks (SAC and MEM), for Kar Anthony-Towns, would you do it? |
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Post by jmost on May 30, 2018 13:06:51 GMT -5
No. Too much for me. I'm not certain that Jayson alone won't wind up being a better player than KAT. Then you throw in 2 picks that could turn out to be great (or not) and I think we're giving too much, or at least risking giving too much. I love where we are now. If we bring back the exact same group next year, with minor tweaks to the bench, I think we're already a serious contender. The worst thing Danny could do is break this core up for anything less than a steal of a deal.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 30, 2018 17:58:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure that price is steep (if you ask Wolves' fans, they'll tell you it's not enough, and I think the consenses around the league would be that that offer is not enough). KAT is a top 10 in many sattistics:
Top 10 in:
FG%
Points per game
Rebounds per game
Blocks per game
Player Efficiency Rating
Effective FG%
Value Over Replacement Player
At the age of 22, he's putting up stats that most NBA players never will (averaged 25 and 12 two years ago, and 21 and 12 this past season).
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Post by FLCeltsFan on May 30, 2018 19:43:16 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority but I really want Smart back. He works hard and I can see him being a better shooter next year. He always seemed to be the designated shooter at the end of quarters to give a half court heave or at the end of shot clocks. I often thought it's because he wasn't worried about his stats like a lot of guys are.
I remember the games when he was out and the Celtics struggled on defense. He is very important to the defense, which I believe is what sets them apart from the other teams. Smart's toughness and energy are important to this team. Rozier doesn't bring anywhere near what Smart does.
Smart has said that he wants to come back and that Danny and Brad were talking like he would be back. I guess it will depend on whether Smart wants to be back enough to sign for less than he thinks he is worth. I really don't see anyone offering him 14 million. I really hope Danny brings him back.
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