Celt's Outlook 05-06 !!!!!!!!

[BCHISTORIAN]

i don't think we know who'll get upper hand in our point guard battle. we all expect it to be delonte. let's see. personally i see perfect role for banks on this team and that is to be a back-up pg. right now delonte definitely isn't john stockton. i just fail to see long term role for him on this team, maybe he'll pan out, maybe he'll replace banks as a back-up, maybe he will be traded. the kid sure has right attitude that's all i know.
i think our future point guard is not with us at all right now. who will it be and when will we get him - nobody knows.

of course delonte can prove me wrong. there's nothing better than unexpected pleasant surprises

[DERRENMATTS]

I think the overall feel is that Delonte is higher up on the food chain than Banks is, but I agree that our future PG may not even be on the team right now. I would like an upgrade over Delonte because I don't think he's a standout playmaker. He's a solid option for the here and now, and if he improves his playmaking ability, he could change my mind. Ultimately, I feel that this team can form a dynasty. But, we are going to need a really good PG (and a really good Center) to get there. I think we have the right role players who just need to be developed. And between Jefferson, Gerald Green, and Tony Allen, I think we have a threesome we can build around.

[BCHISTORIAN]

also this season will be make-it or break-it for perkins

[eja117]

i know banks isn't popular but this is my question. what was the difference between banks in his 1rst year under Doc and Chauncey Billup's first year in the league? I don't see the difference except that if you blink you just missed banks run by you. I thought bank's improvement was decent. We'll see who is better soon. It may be Delonte but i think if you give up on banks to soon it can come back to haunt you, possibly in the form of banks stealing the ball from delonte's slow !!!GREENIAC!!! in the playoffs. sometimes pedigree does better than the underdog even if it's less popular

[DERRENMATTS]

The same comments about Banks being another Chauncy Billups situation if we trade him away hastily are warranted--to an extent. Billups and Banks aren't on the same plain in terms of overall PG abilities. As a rookie, Billups showed a lot more poise and ball control than Banks has, even with an additional year in the NBA. Billups controlled the tempo better, and he already had a better looking jump shot than Banks.

Banks may be a better athlete than Billups, and Chauncy will never be able to catch up with Banks' speed. But in terms of showing PG skills as young players, Chauncy displayed more of it than Banks has.

[Celtic17]

Just guessing...
I think DA favors West and Greene. With thoughts of starting OG down the road, w/ DW first off the bench at the 1 or 2.

Just a hunch.

With so many future options, with this group of kid, makes it fun to play with line-ups.

[DERRENMATTS]

I''m excited to see Orien Greene for myself. The things Ainge has shown so far seems to indicate that he has some faith in Orien's abilities. Its quite an advantage having a PG who is nearly as tall as your average SG. And if Orien truly is a pass first PG, it should be interesting to see how he plays with all of our scorers (Pierce, Ricky, Jefferson, Allen).

[esco33]

I definitely think that Ainge has a lot of faith in the abilities of O Greene. The fact that he hasn't signed a vet point guard yet leads me to believe he will stand pat and head into training camp with West, Banks, and Greene, with Greene making the roster and even seeing some chunk of minutes. Of all three point guards we have, he is the only one that has been labeled as a "true" point guard.

I know absolutely nothing about him, but that is what is being written about him, that he has talent and at times is too unselfish. I am not putting my hopes into a 50 something draft pick to be our future point guard, not at all.

But, I have been frustrated in recent weeks because we have not been able to attain a vet starting point guard. Right now I would say West has the edge to be starting point guard, with Banks coming off the bench as a change of pace guard, and Greene as the third string, but I am starting to think that Greene will not be in the D-league but possibly make our roster this year unless Ainge grabs a vet point guard. There aren't that many left, if any.

Hopefully, the Celts have something in this kid, because although I like West and Banks they are not true point guards, and the Celts have enough firepower but with Payton gone they need someone to feed them the ball, and the fact that Ainge has stayed idle with the point guard situation leads me to believe that he has a lot of confidence in either West or Greene to play major minutes. We all know Doc and Danny's frustrations with Marcus.

[DERRENMATTS]

Yeah, seems a bit weird how we quickly pulled out of the Saras sweepstake. Early on, we seemed to be the team to lure him in. Lot of talk were circulating that he was going to sign with us. But then Ainge decides to pull out, and then Saras was left to go with the next team who was strongly going after him (Indiana).

We could have had a savvy PG on the team for a few years to show Delonte and Banks how to stay in control and how to run a team. But Ainge decided getting Saras was not as important as getting Scalabrine, who most likely is going to be a backup big man. Let's see: savvy veteran PG or backup PF, savvy veteran PG or backup PF ..........?

There must be a reason why Ainge decided to go with the backup PF, even though we have Raef and Blount to use at that spot. We still don't have a veteran PG.

If Ainge is going to take his chances with a rookie, a 2nd year, and a 3rd year PG, he must have a gut feeling that they can do the job, or that they have the potential in them to be good PG's and so he wants to give them the opportunity to play and develop their skills. He runs the risk of missing the playoffs and getting fans frustrated, but if this is Ainge's game plan, we need to support him.

[meltinjohn]

bchistorian said:

also this season will be make-it or break-it for perkins

Well isn't this his last year on his contract? I agree also that Perkins is gone if he can't show signs this year especially in the bigger minutes they plan to give him.

derrenmatts said:

There must be a reason why Ainge decided to go with the backup PF, even though we have Raef and Blonut to use at that spot. We still don't have a veteran PG.

If Ainge is going to take his chances with a rookie, a 2nd year, and a 3rd year PG, he must have a gut feeling that they can do the job, or that they have the potential in them to be good PG's and so he wants to give them the opportunity to play and develop their skills. He runs the risk of missing the playoffs and getting fans frustrated, but if this is Ainge's game plan, we need to support him.

What if that future pg is indeed Orien? What if he pulled a Ginobili in this 2nd rd pick? If he didn't oh well, theres always next draft.
And on picking Scalabrine over Saras, Scalabrine is a white Robert Horry who can play some center. Hes our Big shot Bob type that a championship team needs.

[Celtic17]

What about being positive John...

Is it in there?

I like your contrast, but please... Do you see the future?

[Celtic17]

Or

Do we?
doe-rae-me

Cut me off. Please///

[meltinjohn]

celtic17 said:

What about being positive John...

Is it in there?

I like your contrast, but please... Do you see the future?

Of course I see the future but expect to be bad next year or very mediocre if Pierce is around.

[Celtic17]

Not that bad... IMO

[Roadrunner]

One thing I like about the '05-06 prospecting season, is that every position (except for Pierce) will be contested by 2-3 guys. Mostly young, and very hungry.