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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 7, 2005 20:54:23 GMT -5
lol CF
Stiffs do ride the bench without bitching so much...
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Post by cfoo on Jul 7, 2005 21:05:38 GMT -5
Why it doesn't make a whole lot of difference. He'll play and contribute at times. Probably as much as googs was supposed to if he didnt get hurt. 5 years 15 million, not a lot, but the player makes me think why bother. Whatever trades, signings/nonsignings go down will make more sense out of this. We needed a body for some reason. This is just part of what Ainge is planning. Im guessing we sign another fa and acquire something else via trade.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 7, 2005 21:22:07 GMT -5
Ive hear that the last couple of years are a team option. I dont know much about the guy, but from what Ive heard he seems like a good teammate. I see that he averaged 4.5 rbs in 21 mpg, which isnt bad.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 7, 2005 21:25:23 GMT -5
I hope he doesnt cut into Gomes pt is all. For now they should make a pretty good tandem backing up Al if that is the case. He might even be a pretty good mentor for someone like Gomes. Plus i think we are bringing in someone else to help down low. Raef, Kendrick will be here i think. Walker, Blount im not so sure.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 8, 2005 2:04:50 GMT -5
I'm one of the guys who like this signing. 3 million per year is peanuts these days. He's a team player who knows what his role is and played that role exceptionally well for the Nets. I have more confidence in him giving us more value than Googs gave us last year because Googs did not fit the backup role well. He's a starter who is used to playing a lot of minutes. We asked him to maximize his impact in just 15 minutes per game, and he's just not taylored to do that. Brini is the type who can come in and do his job and step right out.
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Post by mev17 on Jul 8, 2005 2:15:07 GMT -5
Is Davis and Scalabrine an upgrade over Blonut and Walker? Yes, because we would have two players who play hard and stay within themselves (in other words, stick to what they can do) whereas Blount barely had a pulse last year and Walker plays as hard as anyone but often tries to do too much. It would give us more stability and free up resources (Davis' expiring $13.9 million deal) much sooner so we can afford to re-sign our young players as their contracts come up for renewal, rather than having long term $ tied up in Blount and Walker. Plus in Davis, Al will have the perfect tutor to shore up his weaknesses -- boxing out consistently and defensive positioning/concentration. |
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Post by mev17 on Jul 8, 2005 2:18:14 GMT -5
I'm sure if this signing does go down, a big part of it is to add someone to the lockerroom who exemplifies Ainge's campaign for smart basketball players who will abide by a "code of conduct".
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 8, 2005 2:27:12 GMT -5
The Herald says that Ainge is a big fan of Scalabrini--which is always a good sign when bringing in a new player.
Antonio Davis and Brian Scalabrini may not be upgrades over Mark Blount and Antoine Walker right now. But I see Brini really filling out his role off the bench really well, and this is something Walker will have a hard time swallowing. Blount is the incredible shrinking man, so an old AD is at least equal to him.
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Post by mev17 on Jul 8, 2005 2:27:18 GMT -5
I thought this was an interesting comment on another Celtic's board by a poster named NetsFan4Ever about us signing Scalabrini away from the Nets:
"Well, I'm sure as hell gonna miss Veal, and to be honest I wish he didn't sign with the C's but I still wish him the best of luck... Most of you have it pegged though, great hustler, great teammate, always willing to do the little things. He's a great fan favorite and can occasionally fill a box score if he happens to be on that night (look to his 29 point 10 rebound effort against GS last year).
While you certainly shouldn't expect anything like that regularly, you will appreciate what he brings to the table. With that, I will miss him, just won't feel the same without Veal on the sidelines. "
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 8, 2005 2:30:39 GMT -5
That's exactly why I'm ecstatic to bring him here. We need guys who excel at their niche's--who can play their roles and not complain and pout about not being starters.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 8, 2005 6:43:32 GMT -5
I don't understand the comment about Davis's expiring contract saving money. If sign AW and trade for AD (which is what I think I read), isn't that adding his salary to this year's total? Whereas letting AW walk adds nothing?
Now if you're talking about trading Blount for AW, that would take on a year's salary, but get relief in the second year.
Is there something I'm missing?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 8, 2005 6:53:54 GMT -5
no you are right. i wondered about the same thing. getting antonio davis in a s&t scenario for walker would be reasonable only if blount or lafrentz is included
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Post by Ossric on Jul 8, 2005 7:07:34 GMT -5
I don't understand the comment about Davis's expiring contract saving money. If sign AW and trade for AD (which is what I think I read), isn't that adding his salary to this year's total? Whereas letting AW walk adds nothing? Now if you're talking about trading Blonut for AW, that would take on a year's salary, but get relief in the second year. Is there something I'm missing? It would be Walker AND blonut for Davis (LaFrentz doesn't work capwise). We loose Blonuts long contract and Davis comes off the books next year. This will save us 13.9 million next summer. |
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Post by ferbo on Jul 8, 2005 9:05:29 GMT -5
I think I understand that from a cap standpoint. I don't remember seeing that it would likely be AW and Blount. ALTHOUGH I'm not as convinced that seeing these two move on is in the best interest of the Cs as most of you. I look for Blount to become a serviceable player again. And I think the starting 5 would be stronger with AW than Davis.
In reading today's article about Jefferson, seems to me that we ought not expect him to play 30-35 minutes a game this year. Seems that there is work to be done yet on physical training and conditioning before he will become playing FT minutes. I'm guessing that he will be mroe of a 20-25 mpg guy, depending on who starts.
BUT, if get the cap right, the Cs could only offer AW the mid-level exemption of around $5 million within the cap. And DA has just spent $3 million of that.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 8, 2005 9:09:46 GMT -5
What is this hot-shot guard in Europe thinking---$5 million a year asking price? I can't believe in my wildest dream that any team will approach that!
Is he that good that he can entertain such delusions? Signing that guy would consign the kid PGs to backup roles at best, way I see it. Of course, if he is still young and better and seasoned, there's nothing wrong with that.
But DA is investing heavily in kid PGs---Banks, West, drafting Green, commiting some money to Bynum to keep him around until October. And the talk about all 4 of them extols their ability and talent more than when he signed the guy from 2 years ago---Mike James, was it? Or was that Atkins? Whatever.
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