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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 31, 2005 4:20:45 GMT -5
Theres not even a question. Hes not going to us. I just brought this topic up for sh|ts and giggles.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 31, 2005 5:18:51 GMT -5
Well, you can never rule out anything. It was inconceivable for us to imagine drafting Gerald Green, but it happened.
Oden is going to come out in '07, so Ainge has some time to find a way to steal this big man. A dominant big man will make it much easier for us to create a dynasty.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 31, 2005 7:59:37 GMT -5
The East is starting to rise from the ranks. Detroit, great GM moves...Indiana, the same, and Chicago, the draft. NJ even looks good on paper.
Not sure if we will get Oden, but we need 1 more player to put us over the top.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 31, 2005 12:46:36 GMT -5
I agree. One more star caliber player is all we need--preferrably at the C or PG.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 31, 2005 18:51:25 GMT -5
Tell me this though, how is our team gonna get the #1 pick in 07? It seems impossible. The league also does not like the celtics. 0 chance of it. Any change he goes to 2 or 3? That could be one of the picks Danny dealt for.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 31, 2005 20:50:07 GMT -5
Tell me this though, how is our team gonna get the #1 pick in 07? Only if we give up some potential talent and draft picks. DA might go that route for the right center. I don't see him giving what it might take. Say a Jefferson or GG, if they show something this season. |
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Post by eja117 on Jul 31, 2005 21:26:21 GMT -5
I think if Oden totally dominates the college scene and it appears nobody else will be nearly as good it would be worth it. For example that year we had the 3rd and 6th picks, they said it would take Antoine, #3 (Billups) #6 (Mercer) and next year's pick for Duncan. In hind sight it totally would have been worth it, but none of those players had shown anything yet except Antoine, so it was a huge gamble. TD could easily have become the next Webber. At the time I didn't think he'd be that good cause in college Camby had housed him, and hadn't done that well his rookie year. I trust DA
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 1, 2005 19:04:44 GMT -5
Who the hell knows. Then again, this Oden may not be huge like they say so he could be tradable to get the #1 or 2 for. Lets hope hes great but just not Duncan like greatness or else hed be untouchable.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 1, 2005 20:38:08 GMT -5
I am in w/ the thought Camby would be a much better player than Duncan. At the time, UMASS played Wake and Camby took him to school. Their careers basically went in the opposite direction.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 1, 2005 21:50:19 GMT -5
Funny you mention that because while watching Duncan at Wake, I did not think he'd amount to such a superstar. I didn't think he had the look of a champion because he was so shy and introverted.
I didn't think Camby was going to amount to much in the NBA (I was never a fan of skinny big men), but at the time, I thought his career could have been more fruitful than Duncan's, seeing how successful he was at UMASS.
To this day, this has been my biggest miscalculation in terms of judging a player's projectability over the horizon. Well, that, and the time I was a big fan of Calbert Chaney. I really liked the guy when he played for the Hoosiers and I couldn't wait for him to make a splash in the NBA. Ironically, he later briefly played for us, but did little to ignite my hope in him again.
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 1, 2005 23:37:19 GMT -5
If Duncan didn't go to SA, I don't think he'd be the same great player. I'd see him to be good enough to get to the ecf/wcf but not a title at all. Like how Brand is or lesser. Brand I bet in college looked a lot better.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 2:50:35 GMT -5
Duncan was blessed to play for Greg Popovic. Both need each other. Pops is a systems coach who rarely steers away from his proven system. Tim Duncan is a total systems player. I don't know how effective he'd be if he played in a free flowing offense. He'd probably still be an All-Star, but would he be the winner he has been in San Antonio is debatable. Like if he played in Memphis, in the role Gasol has been playing--you wonder if things would have worked out for Timmy. In the same way, if Gasol played for Popovic in SA, would he have had more success than he has had in Memphis? I'm sure he would, but probably not as much as Duncan has had. And I don't know if Gasol would have brought the amount of championships Duncan has.
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 2, 2005 16:54:19 GMT -5
Without Pop, TD would have as much success as Elton Brand is in clipperland. Now Elton under a great coach and system would do wonders I think much like Duncan has.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 2, 2005 19:31:10 GMT -5
I dont think I agree with that. TD wouldve been a 1st team all NBA no matter who drafted him. He is once every 10 years kinda guy. Plus, he is about 6'11'-7'00" tall, while brand is about 6'8". And they share about the same mobility.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 3, 2005 12:02:45 GMT -5
I think Pop was good for TD but I agree he would've been good anyway. It's like saying Magic could only have been Magic with Pat Riley. I just don't buy it. I admit some coaches can get an extra something out of a player (Phil jackson and MJ maybe), but that's about it
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