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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 15, 2005 22:08:57 GMT -5
For Perkins, it has to start getting some real PT to evaluate what he can, and what he can't do. I think he can be very solid defensive presence. We don't need him to score. We need him to play great D, and rebound. AJ I am counting on to avg 20points a game.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jun 15, 2005 23:10:39 GMT -5
For Perkins, it has to start getting some real PT to evaluate what he can, and what he can't do. I think he can be very solid defensive presence. We don't need him to score. We need him to play great D, and rebound. AJ I am counting on to avg 20points a game. What if Al scores lesser than 20ppg but can rebound and block? I can see Al being a 18ppg guy with 10-11 rebounds and 2bpg. He can also have opportunities to dish the ball out to the shooters then they can just shoot it if they make them or pass the ball to all 5 men within the 24 shot clock if Pierce is gone. For the 24 sec shot clock, The ball only goes around to 2-3 guys sometimes. Pierce consumes much of it. He needs to go asap. Perkins is still far from proven. Stick with Raef for now. Hes at least the realistic starting center. Yes, Perkins is still unproven, and I'm still not totally sold that he should be our starting Center in the future, as opposed to being our defensive specialist up the middle. But I'm not looking forward to Raef being our starting Center any longer. Well, he will be hard to move. Unless he has a breakout season in the absense of Walker and Pierce. That can be a key for another team to grab him but toherwise, were keeping him. You just gotta learn to live with that. Look at the plus, Pierces big deal can be moved seeing it has 2 yrs on it. Much cap will still be available even with Raef but just think when Raefs deal is up. Then we'll have even more to spend. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 16, 2005 0:11:30 GMT -5
When I see Perkins, I see him as a good defender when the action is coming to him. Like when guys penetrate into the lane or when a player he's not defending ends up attempting a shot near where he is. In times like these, he can look very good as a defensive specialist. But I question his foot speed and his lateral movements. Perkins is an excellent rebounder when he secures his man on his backside. But when the rebound is not in his area, he's not effective. Comparitively, Jefferson is a rebounder even when the rebound is far away from his body. His long arms and his quick lateral movements allow him to get his paws on long rebounds that don't look catchable. But Jefferson hasn't learned how to box out yet, something which I think he'll learn as he goes up against Perkins more often.
Perkins could end up starting for us if he improves his agility and side to side movements. But if he doesn't, he'll still serve a big role as our defensive specialist off the bench.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 16, 2005 20:16:05 GMT -5
Perkins, my expectations for him are to play solid d-fense , be the enforcer down low, and rebound. His scoring is a bonus. I don't expect him to put up 20, and 10 every night. 10-10 is fine, w/ some blocks.
Jefferson, the steal of last year's draft, 18-10 and 2 would be ideal. For Jefferson, he needs to work on his defense. In high school, he was much bigger and stronger than everyone else. Not in the NBA.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 16, 2005 22:49:38 GMT -5
Jefferson's defense has improved a good deal since the first game of the season. He didn't look quite as embarrassing at the end of the season. I imagine that as he is coached more, he'll develop into a solid post defender.
His scoring and rebounding are already pluses. Had Rivers completely gone the developmental route and played Jefferson 30 minutes a game, I fave a feeling that Jefferson could have put up 15 and 8 this past year.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jun 17, 2005 0:38:53 GMT -5
Im not so sure about that Derren. I think Ainge targets certain players each year. He wanted Banks, he traded up to get him. The story goes he wanted Allen and had him targetted well before the draft. Not sure about Jefferson. Supposedly he wanted Swift and was trying to trade up, but maybe that was a smoke screen and he got te guy he wanted. CF- From top-to-bottom I agree. One of the twins? From other sites and draft boards. |
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Post by JoeC43 on Jun 17, 2005 14:36:14 GMT -5
File under “Take it for what it’s worth”
Eric Pincus, Lakers columnist for Hoopsworld.com, is a part of the Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com. Yes, a Laker guy in a Celtics forum.
Lately, he has received queries from some list members on a few things Celtics. Here were his responses:
> he spoke to his Boston source and the source told him that Paul is not on the block. Adds that we must not be surprised if Paul is still in his old unis come October.
> Eric was asked who the Celtics and the Lakers are planning on picking. His reply, “As far as the Celts - I don't want to mention the name I've been whispered yet - give me another week and then I have the green light from my source.”
> The same poster then asked the position of the player we were targeting. The exchange went this way:
Inquiring Celtics fan: Well how about the position you've been whispered?
EP: Basically it's a player who may have a promise from more than one team - with the Celts at 18 that that may be an issue. SF
> Off subject: Eric reports that the Lakers are going to get the 17th pick and Jonathan Bender for Devean George and Slava Medvedenko (though there's a chance it's Brian Cook instead) - along with a second round pick to Indy. Who’d you rather choose making the pick at 17? Kupchak or Bird? =)
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 17, 2005 20:47:34 GMT -5
Excellent, Joe. Keep these insiders things coming.
I guess if we're looking at a high profiled SF who may have promises from several teams, it could be Joey Graham, Korolev, Hakim Warrick, maybe a few others.
This guy says that his source says Pierce is not getting traded. But other sources from around the NBA say that the Portland rumors have more meat to it than we know. So what is it, really?
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Post by meltinjohn on Jun 17, 2005 23:09:15 GMT -5
The fact is that you cannot believe what the truth is until its unfolded. Danny could be using the fact of keeping Pierce as a smokescreen, he may really not want to trade him until picks are already made but not before draft day. Who knows whats what?
On comment to Perkins as our center, I just think his minutes will increase each year while Raefs shrink. Raef might get something like 30mpg and Perkins might get as many as 18 mpg. Jefferson could even get 40 if indeed Walker goes and a pf veteran serves as his backup mentoring him.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 17, 2005 23:10:50 GMT -5
Joe, great stuff. Interestingly, the Pacers are giving up on the last of 2 HS players taken. Harrington before, and now Bender.
Hopefully that "promise" will be to Charlie V. Though, I Graham is being compared to Caron Butler, and he was the deal at UCONN. ;D
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Post by meltinjohn on Jun 17, 2005 23:36:05 GMT -5
That 17 also goes to LA. BUt I can see where Bird is going with this. George and Medvedenko in the right system can do well. LA was a loser last yr so George and Med didn't do well but when Shaq was there, they did. Maybe hed do this trade to get George to shoot key shots for him with Jermaine dishing the ball to the wings. Bender goes to LA where he could either be a starting pf with Odom moved down to SF. Maybe LA will also put Kobe at point and Caron at sg. Go kinda big.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 18, 2005 2:59:30 GMT -5
Not really sure why Bird is doing this trade. First of all, Jeff Foster has been a revitalized man for the Pacers. In the playoffs, he was a rebounding force as well as a terrific garbage/energy player. He upped his game, so I'd say he's more valuable than Slava (who I really don't mind as a basketball player). Plus, with David Harrison showing promise as a rookie last year, he could be in the mix for a bigger role. But getting Devean George, even though he has 2 up and coming players ready for more playing time (James and Freddie Jones) is where I scratch my head. Add in the fact that Bird will be losing his 17th pick, and you really wonder if he really sees George and Slave taking them to the top.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jun 20, 2005 1:30:59 GMT -5
Who cares. The pacers will just be another division rival struggling. Let Bird trade his pick. Hell, maybe he'll deal it to Danny in a 3 way.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 20, 2005 21:09:40 GMT -5
Bird the coach, and Bird the GM are different. Bird was a great coach, who got the most of that team. Bird, them GM however, the only 2 deals that stick out in my mind are when he signed Chroshere to a big deal (and now he rides the pine), and trading Harrington (not even sure what he got for him?).
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 20, 2005 23:05:52 GMT -5
You may be right, RR. I just assume that Larry Bird will be great at everything he does. Maybe being a GM isn't his strong suit.
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