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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2005 2:26:50 GMT -5
Yeah, and to some extent, Ainge may look like a genius for taking Delonte and Tony Allen in the first round. Many, including myself, never had either of them listed as a 1st round pick. I even thought he reached with those picks. I even went on to say on draft day that Tony Allen was probably a pick made for another team to complete a trade. But boy, am I glad both guys are on our team. They would not have lasted until the late second round, when we got to pick again. Considering the players who went after Delonte and Allen, the only players who actually look to be good players down the line are Beno Udrih (28th) , David Harrison (30th), Anderson Varejao (31st), and Chris Duhon (39th).
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 12, 2005 7:19:37 GMT -5
Ironically, taking a look at that short list, Buford again w/ the pick of Udrih.
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Post by JoeC43 on Jun 12, 2005 8:34:22 GMT -5
Right on, Meltin. Ainge isn't afraid, doesn't give any attention to whatever is said. If Ainge thinks a player has it, he'll take 'em, whether or not the guy is projected as a reach. Derren, if I remember correctly, I would have selected Kevin Martin (Sacramento) and a big guy such as Anderson Varejao with the 24th and 25th picks. On Delonte, I read good things about him but projected him to go in the late 1st/early 2nd. Delonte and Tony Allen's name became prominent during their teams' Elite Eight run. The first thing that came into my head when Delonte was drafted was that we got a C. Mobley clone due to DW being a lefty. I shouted for joy when TA's name came up at 25. Delonte and Tony were great picks by Ainge. Perhaps during that time, there wasn't much hype about them and they were overshadowed by other players. Good thing is that Ainge can see through the hype and can separate the pretenders from the ones who can play. Yes, I like David Lee. On a related note, check out today's Herald. Ainge liked Simien's workout. Looking like Diogu and Simien will be gone before we pick. That means I'd have to adjust my draft board again  That leaves F. Garcia, Lee and Rudy Fernandez in my first - tier list My second tier list (not in order of preference): May, Blatche, A. Bynum, Turiaf, Jack, Aleksandrov, IIyasova Wildcards (not sure if i'd touch them if they were available at 18th): Charlie V, Warrick and Taft Have to read up on this Korolev kid |
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Post by meltinjohn on Jun 12, 2005 15:44:22 GMT -5
Meltin, another guy you can add to that list is Devean George. He came out of nowhere and had GM's scratching their heads. Jerry West does have a knack of finding talent. He brought in Eddie Jones, and he also orchestrated that deal with the Charlotte Hornets to bring in Kobe Bryant. I did say Deveon George if you read it carefully. I just said George though. |
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Post by meltinjohn on Jun 12, 2005 15:48:10 GMT -5
Right on, Meltin. Ainge isn't afraid, doesn't give any attention to whatever is said. If Ainge thinks a player has it, he'll take 'em, whether or not the guy is projected as a reach. Derren, if I remember correctly, I would have selected Kevin Martin (Sacramento) and a big guy such as Anderson Varejao with the 24th and 25th picks. On Delonte, I read good things about him but projected him to go in the late 1st/early 2nd. Delonte and Tony Allen's name became prominent during their teams' Elite Eight run. The first thing that came into my head when Delonte was drafted was that we got a C. Mobley clone due to DW being a lefty. I shouted for joy when TA's name came up at 25. Delonte and Tony were great picks by Ainge. Perhaps during that time, there wasn't much hype about them and they were overshadowed by other players. Good thing is that Ainge can see through the hype and can separate the pretenders from the ones who can play. Yes, I like David Lee. On a related note, check out today's Herald. Ainge liked Simien's workout. Looking like Diogu and Simien will be gone before we pick. That means I'd have to adjust my draft board again That leaves F. Garcia, Lee and Rudy Fernandez in my first - tier list My second tier list (not in order of preference): May, Blatche, A. Bynum, Turiaf, Jack, Aleksandrov, IIyasova Wildcards (not sure if i'd touch them if they were available at 18th): Charlie V, Warrick and Taft Have to read up on this Korolev kid After seeing things now, Verajao with the 25th would have been better but oh well. Tony is good trade bait and if not, he can still have a chance on this team to be a defensive talent. |
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Post by meltinjohn on Jun 12, 2005 15:49:44 GMT -5
Oh not to mention, Varejao is the nba's Carlito Caribbean Cool. All he needs to do is put an apple in his uniform pocket and spit it out at a player if it gets confrontational. Haha.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2005 17:05:20 GMT -5
Yes, I like David Lee. On a related note, check out today's Herald. Ainge liked Simien's workout. Looking like Diogu and Simien will be gone before we pick. That means I'd have to adjust my draft board again That leaves F. Garcia, Lee and Rudy Fernandez in my first - tier list
My second tier list (not in order of preference): May, Blatche, A. Bynum, Turiaf, Jack, Aleksandrov, IIyasova
Wildcards (not sure if i'd touch them if they were available at 18th): Charlie V, Warrick and Taft
Have to read up on this Korolev kid
Finally, Simien is getting some love around here. No one really seems to appreciate his skills. He's quick for a PF, very agile, a solid rebounder, and a very good scorer in the paint. He's got a terrific baseline spin move and an excellent touch that extends out to 20 feet (he'll even test the waters beyond the arc). In some ways, he reminds me of Rasheed Wallace because of his offensive versatility.
As for your second tier list, I'm hesitant with Andrew Bynum. This kid is soft--doesn't have a mean streak at all. He's got a baby face and he talks like a kid. Huge body, but I don't see him turning out to be a force. I think Randolph Morris has a better future than Bynum.
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Post by JoeC43 on Jun 12, 2005 22:36:33 GMT -5
I'm just intrigued by the thought that if Bynum gets developed well by our "teaching - oriented" coaching staff, then we would have another gem in our hands. You can never have enough big men and these can be used as trading chips. Between Bynum and Blatche, I'd pick Blatche.
Derren what do you think of Warrick? Charlie V? Would you take one of them if both were available at 18?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2005 23:59:24 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Charlie, but I could do without Warrick (though I would not mind Warrick if the guys on my wishlist are gone). Charlie is taller and longer than Warrick and he's a much better dribbler on top of that. Charlie's got 3 pt range and a developing garbage game, as in getting putback shots off of misses. His off the dribble game is mostly not existent right now, but with his height and length, I'd much rather him either posting up on the blocks or stretching the defense with his three point shooting. He's got some slashing skills, but he fumbles the ball a bit for my taste. And he needs to improve his finishes on penetrations and fast breaks. I get the feeling that Charlie had a major growth spurt a few years ago and is still adjusting to his freakish height.
Warrick is athletic and he can finish and dunk near the rim, and he's got the ability to score from within 10 feet of the basket with his fadeaway. But aside from those skills, I see him as a limited 6'8" SF because he's not adequate enough to take anyone off the dribble and he's too light to back down PF's. Plus, his shooting from beyond 12 feet is not good. In comparison, Justin Reed shows me that he can have a more productive career in the NBA because he's stronger and can handle the ball better than Warrick, despite not being as athletic.
I'd talke Charie at 18, but all the players on my wishlist would have to be gone for me to take Warrick at 18. I'd take a gamble on an injured Nemanja Alexandrov before I take Warrick.
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Post by ferbo on Jun 13, 2005 19:14:20 GMT -5
NBADraft now has Cs getting Graham, Stoudamire, and Head.
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Post by ferbo on Jun 13, 2005 19:18:30 GMT -5
Insidehoops says Charlie V.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 13, 2005 21:01:08 GMT -5
I think Charlie V did have a growth spurt in high school, which is why he could play on the perimeter. Though, Calhoun did a much better job w/ him this year by having him stay in the post.
That would be a dream front-line:
Perks, AJ, and Charlie V. ;D
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 13, 2005 21:10:41 GMT -5
That would be a dream front-line:
Perks, AJ, and Charlie V.
I'd be happy with that front 3, if we ended up with that. All three will be good rebounders on the offensive end and we should be among the better offensive rebounding teams with those 3. Plus, Jefferson and Charlie are very fast for their heights and should get advantages on fast breaks. Charlie would need to develop his three point shooting accuracy more and become a better slasher, not to mention get stronger physically and focus more energy on being a defensive player. But I like the look of that starting rotation with those 3.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jun 15, 2005 2:24:43 GMT -5
Perkins is still far from proven. Stick with Raef for now. Hes at least the realistic starting center.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 15, 2005 3:32:08 GMT -5
Perkins is still far from proven. Stick with Raef for now. Hes at least the realistic starting center. Yes, Perkins is still unproven, and I'm still not totally sold that he should be our starting Center in the future, as opposed to being our defensive specialist up the middle. But I'm not looking forward to Raef being our starting Center any longer. |
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That leaves F. Garcia, Lee and Rudy Fernandez in my first - tier list
