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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 27, 2005 1:54:39 GMT -5
Greeniacs, this is your opportunity to put in writing the top 3 draftees in this year's draft you do not want Danny Ainge to draft--guys who you have a strong indication will be busts in the NBA.
Here are my top 3:
1) Hakim Warrick
2) Channing Frye
3) Salim Stoudemire
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Post by Roadrunner on May 28, 2005 8:47:26 GMT -5
My '3'busts:
1. Chris Taft - there is a great read on his 'stock' on draftcity.com
2. Chan. Frye - Tony Battie, Part 2
3. Ronny Turiaf - Jerome Moiso, Part 2
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 28, 2005 16:08:46 GMT -5
I guess Channing Frye has at least 2 detractors of his on this board ;D
Chris Taft can be a bust if he lets his attitude remain unmotivated/undetermined. Its the same with Charlie Villanueva and at the NBA level, Eddie Curry. But like them, they have the potential to be spectacular players, and that's what I see in them. I hope he can bring forth his vast talents and not just let them waste over the course of his career.
As for Turiaf, he does have that desire and aggressiveness. Its just that he isn't totally skilled. He's out of control most of the time. For me, its hard to say how effective he can turn out to be. His energy level and relentlessness will give him an advantage (just look at how effective Brian Cardinal and Chris Kaman are just by playing with energy and relentlessness). I do get a feeling that he's missing basketball smarts.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 28, 2005 17:11:11 GMT -5
I just read some of the negative stuff they had to say about Taft. Not looking good for him if he's acting lazy and unmotivated. But if he slides to 18, I'd have a hard time passing up on him. The potential and the skills are there. If he's just lacking the motivation, I think this is a risk we should take. Going up against Al Jefferson and Kendrick Perkins in practice every day, you have to become motivated in practice, or risk having your bum burned and your head ripped off. Doc is a motivator too. I mean, he turned Ricky's and Pierce's attitudes around, and for a short while had Walker playing basketball the right way.
I know there's the risk of having another big man who does absolutely nothing on the court (Blount being the other), but this big man at least has the body, the quickness, and the inside game to develop into a highly productive player.
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Post by JoeC43 on May 29, 2005 6:38:51 GMT -5
Warrick, Frye, McCants, Charlie V, Taft
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Post by Roadrunner on May 29, 2005 8:35:51 GMT -5
One important factor is the team that drafts a player. There are certain teams, like Golden State and the LA Clippers (until recently) where whoever they drafted turned into a bust.
Derren, you knew my thoughts about Taft before and when I read those quotes, they mirrored my opinion.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 29, 2005 14:00:12 GMT -5
RR, I agree that a player's success has a big part tied into which team he goes to. For instance, Chris Wilcox is just as talented as Udonis Haslem (who is making a name for himself in Miami). But because he plays for the Clippers, he's being burried on the bench.
Joe, you don't like Charlie V? For those of you who may not know, Charlie has made a big transition in his game this past year, going from a perimeter oriented freshman to a glass cleaning, garbage man as a sophomore. He had a bunch of double digit rebounding games and he's become aggressive in the paint. He's a 6'11", extremely long armed, athletic specimen, who's game is only starting to develop. If you've only seen him as a freshman, you'd think he'd be a waste of a pick. But the strides he made this year gives me hope.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 29, 2005 16:55:00 GMT -5
Unfortunate Charlie V does not return for another college year. He made tremondous improvement, or Calhoun laid down the law w/him. ;D Only starting to realize his potential.
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Post by meltinjohn on May 29, 2005 18:24:19 GMT -5
I agree about players being bad if they aren't in the rigt system. Wilcox is burried on the bench in clipperland because Brand is there for one. I doubt Tony Parker would even be the same player if the celtics picked him. They would have dealt him anyways like they did Joe Johnson. Troy Murphy also may not have turned out good the way our system was with Pitino. Those are all tough calls to determine. But had Duncan came here, hed be the same as now most likely.
Now Charlie I think would be a good pick for us if Granger is gone.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 29, 2005 22:54:37 GMT -5
Right now, I like Charlie V, Granger, and Graham in that order when we pick. Though, if May is available we can't pass on him. I don't think many people realize, this guy is getting by on talent, and if he got into a serious conditioning program, this guy would be even better.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 29, 2005 23:05:18 GMT -5
Right now, I like Charlie V, Granger, and Graham in that order when we pick. Though, if May is available we can't pass on him. I don't think many people realize, this guy is getting by on talent, and if he got into a serious conditioning program, this guy would be even better. Yes, May isn't getting the love from the media. Maybe because he's not in top playing shape, maybe because he's an undersized 4. But he came up big in the championship games and that shows heart. I'm sure he's in the lottery, though. If Rafael Araujo (whom I still think has a future in the NBA) went in the lottery last year, May should also. |
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on May 30, 2005 5:35:06 GMT -5
My top 3
1. Chris Taft
2. Channing Frye
3. Hakim Warrick
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on May 30, 2005 5:51:54 GMT -5
My top 3 1. Chris Taft 2. Channing Frye 3. Hakim Warrick my opinion is pretty similar, i can't even put them in some kind of order |
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on May 30, 2005 6:18:13 GMT -5
My top 3 1. Chris Taft 2. Channing Frye 3. Hakim Warrick my opinion is pretty similar, i can't even put them in some kind of order Yeah, I see a lot of bust in Frye and Taft. Taft is just too unmotivated. I could always tell that Warrick could be a bust. He's extremely atheletic, but can't create his own shot and has no mid-range shot, which he will need in the NBA 6'8'' 210 pounds. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 30, 2005 15:05:04 GMT -5
Well, I don't think Frye is a bust per se. He's just not that talented and is a light weight. He's a Tony Battie clone. He'll give it a good effort on the court but just won't shine. I feel that a bust is a player who has a lot of talent but can't do anything with that talent. So that's why a lot of you have Chris Taft on this list because he does have the talent, but may not do anything with it.
I think he won't be a bust, but only time will tell ;D
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