Why isn't Powe getting playing time?

[DERRENMATTS]

There have been many games when Powe comes in and he produces--on the boards, on the scoreboard, and even with shot blocking. I'd say 80% of the time he's come in, he's done some good stuff. Of course he's not going to produce every single time out, and he still shows his youth, but why hasn't he been given more playing time?

[FLCeltsFan]

I keep wondering the same thing, Derren. It isn't because he doesn't work in practice because his teammates all say he is one of the hardest workers in practice. It isn't because he doesn't play defense because that is what he does best. I just don't know. He may be a bit undersized, but his long arms make up for that and he can defend bigger players. He is one of the better rebounders on the team and knows what to do with the ball when he gets it. I have no idea why Doc doesn't give hiim more time. Especially over Scal who really hasn't done much with his playing time. I don't know, maybe Doc is just saving him as a secret weapon.

[cfoo]

He just got playing time. He's been the odd man out in a rotation of Perk, Garnett, Baby, and Pollard and Posey. Someone had to be the odd man out and we've all known it was powe. He's starting to get time. I think we wanted to give Baby a run early on to get him the experience. Both players are kind of similar and its not as easy to get both time. Maybe they will start rotating minutes from here on out or playing together and pollard will sit even more. But that's tough when Garnett's minutes are already down from years past. Someone is going to be the odd man out, unless you can figure out a way to get Baby, Garnett, Posey, Pollard, PErk and Powe all pt at the same time. We needed his rebounding and he got called on and maybe his pt will increase and someone else will be hte odd man out for a while.

[cfoo]

Pierce and Allen get 38 a game. In order to get Posey and TA minutes we need to slide them over. If Pierce and Allen are going to play 35+ and TA are Posey are going to get more than 10 mpg they need to play out of position. Right now posey is getting 22 mpg. Allen is getting 17. House is getting 20 and that's only because Rajon has been hurt. posey and house were our most consistant bench threats so far and they've gotten the most minutes. Rajon is getting 31. Perk is getting 25 and Garnett is getting 35. That doesnt leave a lot of time for big men. Baby is basically getting 12 and Pollard is getting around 8. We could cut Pollard completely and cut into Posey's minutes but it's not that simple. Powe has just been the odd man out so far. Maybe we will sit posey a bit and play powe for a stretch here.... Or sit Baby or Pollard for a stretch or Perk's minutes will suffer. Someone will get a rest while Powe gets a run at it. It's not mathematically feasible to get everyone the tiem they should.

[eja117]

I thought he'd been beaten out by Baby. Not many teams, let alone top level teams, play their 2nd round young guys lots of mins when they have all-stars. The Spurs don't give lots of mins to Ian Mahinmi and the Mavs don't give lots of mins to Nick Fazekas. Pruitt is in the same situation

[cfoo]

Because if we were not playing Davis, people would be here saying why aren't we playing davis and that doc doesn't play young people. <sarcasm implied>.

FAct is, someone is going to be the odd man out and so far Powe has been it. Maybe we'll give powe a run now, since Davis has gotten some time in. I've pretty much said all alogn that people are clammoring that we need a big guy and a backup pg when we have powe and pruitt sitting there finding it tough to get time as it is, because the numbers dont allow it. just because we add someone doesnt mean they are better than what we already have. It might just clutter up a log jam even moreso. This is why I shy away from adding Cassell. Cassell gets 20-30 mpg what does that mean for Rondo and House and Posey and allen.. We can't play all those guys. It's not mathematically possible. Same goes for adding a big man. We add a big man that gets 20-30 minutes per game and what does that mean for Perk, Davis, powe, pollard etc.. We can't play all those guys.

There's a difference between being realistic and having enough to have guys that get time and can play different roles. This why we traded a lot of guys we had to bring in Garnett and allen in the first place because there was no possible way we could play all those guys. It's more about having the best guy to play that role. That's what makes a good team which we have. Each player we have fits well on this team.

I'm not trying to be an (censored) but if i get more and more sarcastic every time I read a lineup or why so and so isnt playing and we should trade for this or that, that's why. We are 32-6. La-di-da.... I completely understand why players look at reporters like they are idiots because they get asked questions like this repeatedly. And they get the same response over and over and they keep asking the same questions.

[runrondo]

Powe proved he should've gotten minutes during the summer league where he outplayed everyone(including Davis) and Powe has longer arms which i think makes him better than Davis on the defensive end and Powe is a strong finisher..The minutes situation..Ray needs to cut his minutes down to 35 or so..We've already seen him broken down for a bit so keep the minutes down IMO..The only reason Posey is averaging 22 minutes is because he's been playing TOO much PF during unnecessary small ball and that could be reduced to 19 or so if Powe could come in..Only reason Scal and Pollard average 8 or so minutes a game is because they don't play every game..They'll play 8 minutes one game then won't play any for 5 straight games and that's what i see Doc doing with Powe..Powe NEEDS to come in when we face athletic, in shape, ganging rebounding teams or just physical teams...But i'm itching to see a 2nd unit lineup with Baby and Powe in it..House and Posey's minutes need to come down because they don't need to be playing so much..House is effective in short bursts(streaky) and Posey has just been overused and not even used to his defensive ability..But yes, i'm not expecting to see a lot of Powe out every game..Not possible even if we completly cut off Pollard and Scal though it could be if Doc takes minutes away from guys who aren't producing that game/struggling..

[cfoo]

You break it down for me runrondo. How do we mathetically get everyone the time they deserve? Does Davis just not play? Then we'd be having this same discussion about why Davis isn't playing and I know we would. Powe will get his run. We have to do it in stretches though. It was good davis got time right off the bat imo.... Posey has to play PF because Pierce and Ray command so many minutes. We also have TA in there and House who take some of the backup minutes there. So do we just not play TA and have Posey playing SG? Pierce plays 38 mpg. There is only 10 minutes at the sf spot. Pierce, Garnett and Allen's minutes are already down from past years.. They are all below their career average in minutes as it is.

[runrondo]

First off, i said it wasn't possible unless you play Powe big minutes one game and then don't play him for a few games like Pollard's role but it could be if you base your subs on how they're playing..Posey is not a good pf..Powe at PF>> Posey at PF..in the beginning of the season Posey was guarding other teams scorers which he's good at(guarded Wade at one point ) Now lately he's guarding the likes of Jamison and getting burned easily..Plus Posey just stands at the 3 point line on offense(doesn't have much of an inside game) compared to Powe who's a bruiser down low and like Glen is a good complement to Garnett who likes to use his jumper/go for blocks and plays outside the paint...Powe=Davis but yes i agree giving Davis minutes was more crucial because Powe is a hell of a guy who doesn't whine just does what he does when he gets chances...


Pg Rondo 31 Avg. this year is 31
Sg Ray 37 Avg. this year is 38
SF Pierce 37 Avg. this year is 39
Pf Garnett 35 Avg. this year is 35
C Perkins 25 Avg. this year is 25



House 17 AVg. this year is 20
Tony 17 Avg. this year is 17
Posey 18 Avg. this year is 23
Big Baby 15 Avg. this year is 12
Powe 8

[runrondo]

Agaisnt Philly, the minutes were

House 34
Allen 38
Pierce 30
Garnett 37
Perkins 22

Pruitt 9
Tony 20
Posey 20
Glen 9
Scal 5
Powe 15

Add in Rondo(out goes Pruitt/Scal)

Some games Pierce/Allen/Garnett will have to demand more than 35 but why make them play 38 every game when half the time they don't need to..Pierce against Philly sat the whole game(and it was close) and i bet he was pretty happy to get rest..Even when all 3 play 38 minutes(which Doc doesn't let happen lately, usually rests one of the three) Powe would still have 3 or 4 minutes to play at least and Doc's creative with his lineups(experiments) so i believe he could work with these minutes..he's got time to fit Powe in(like i said before he doesn't have to play every game but it could be done)..

Minutes may vary lol

Rondo 31
Allen 35
Pierce 35
Garnett 35
Perkins 22

House 17
Tony 18
Posey 19
Glen 12
Powe 12

[cfoo]

Well we played Powe again, but Posey was the odd man out. Pollard and Pruitt also didn't play. It's not that simple is the point. YOur first post is doable but you basically have Powe taking Pollards minutes and not playing at all ever. House has bascially been playing 17-18 a game. The only reason his minutes are around 20 is because Rondo has been banged up and he's gotten extra minutes. We've basically been doing that and scal, pollard and powe and pruitt have been getting the left over scraps on occasion. which is those 8 minutes..

You second post doesn't work. Rondo gets 30+ a game. Saying out goes Pruitt and Scal and in comes rondo is not doable. Thats only is 14 minutes and scal plays a different position.

If Powe is going to play, Posey or Baby is going to sit. So is Pollard which he pretty much does anyways. You said the other day you wanted Perk to play more and now you are cutting his minutes even more so Powe can play. Make up your mind. If you were coaching ths team I would all over you and asking you why you aren't playing so and so just to annoy the hell out of you because its not that simple. You would be looking like Jeff Van Gundy in no time.

[runrondo]

cf00 said:

You said the other day you wanted Perk to play more and now you are cutting his minutes even more so Powe can play. Make up your mind. If you were coaching ths team I would all over you and asking you why you aren't playing so and so just to annoy the hell out of you because its not that simple. You would be looking like Jeff Van Gundy in no time.

Again, twisting my posts..I said i wanted Perk to play more when it MATTERED..You were saying how he's getting 25 a game and that's good enough but i said he could play 40 but if he didn't play the last 8 when it mattered and when we needed him most then what's the point?...In my first post i said it's hard to do unless you use Powe like Pollard and then you asked how would i play Powe when i didn't say it was simple to just throw him in there..

Plus in my first scenario Perk got his normal minutes...

[cfoo]

Against the knicks we basically gave Allen 21 and increased his minutes instead of sticking Posey out there for 5 which would have been useless for posey to play 5 minutes. We basically have room for a couple guys to get 15-20. I couple guys to get 10-15 and one who gts like 5-10. Thats the way its been all year. AGainst he knicks TA and House each got 20. Davis and Powe got 12 and 14 and Scal got 5. Posey was the odd man out along with Pollard and Pruitt. Because we are going with a starting lineup that commands a lot of minutes and should there is no feasable way to play more than a 9 or 10 man rotation and get people actual minutes.

[runrondo]

cf00 said:

YOur first post is doable but you basically have Powe taking Pollards minutes and not playing at all ever. House has bascially been playing 17-18 a game. The only reason his minutes are around 20 is because Rondo has been banged up and he's gotten extra minutes. We've basically been doing that and scal, pollard and powe and pruitt have been getting the left over scraps on occasion. which is those 8 minutes..

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First off, we've never given Powe or Pruitt those left over minutes, EVER unless there was a reason..Pruitt played minutes because Rondo was hurt..Powe played because he just had a newborn son and Perk/Pierce were in foul trouble..So your saying then that it's possible to give Powe those 8 minutes? Then why were you saying it wasn't mathematically possible..Why use Pollard? He never plays and when he does he's just there for fouls..Why use Scal? He doesn't strengthen the middle and just tries and tries and bricks threes? That's our point..Play Powe those 8 minutes instead of Scal and Pollard..We're not asking for starter minutes here, just a chance, i couldn't understand why scal was higher on the roster than Powe as a big man to begin with? The guy tries but that doesn't out due his skill

[cfoo]

Anyways I just think it's silly that you guys are nitpicking over minutes and why doc doesnt play so and so and we should trade for this or that, when we are 33-6. There has to be something better to talk about... It's not fun doing this and I really shouldn't get involved in these discussions because they are pointless for the most part. We are 33-6. This team is playing awesome. I just want to enjoy it and it's not fun nitpicking this crap. IT's obsessive in a way. IT's hard to enjoy thte celtics and post here because that's all people seem to talk about.