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Post by cfoo on Jan 21, 2008 20:04:02 GMT -5
Yeah same here. I hope that tradition stays. A lot of these guys aren't getting any younger though. We have to enjoy it while we can.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 21, 2008 22:00:34 GMT -5
CF, Powe hasn't been getting playing time. Check out his game log: sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4177/gamelog;_ylt=AvMJVZWymCaQmFeVsiJ34s6kvLYFIn the 13 games prior to the Philly game, he had 11 DNP-CD's. And in the other 2 games he did play, he had 40 seconds in one, and 21 seconds in the other. But as soon as he gets playing time in the Philly game, Powe cooly produces 15 pts, 6 boards, and a block. Tonight, against the Knicks, he gets 14 minutes and goes perfect from the field, scoring 6 points and pulling down 3 boards. He's collected a whole lot of DNP-CD's this year, but yet, as he gets playing time, he produces. Playing time has been sparse, and this has factored into his time on the bench. This is because Doc has gone with the small ball so often. He's played Posey at PF a lot, and he's pushed KG to Center, even though KG isn't a Center (he's even said that). We're being outrebounded because of the small ball, and at one point during the Philly game, they had more offensive rebounds than we did defensive rebounds. Powe shows promise as a useful offensive weapon and a terrific rebounder in traffic. Usually, when he plays, he produces. I'm not saying he deserves 20 minutes a game, but why all the DNP-CD's? We are short handed at the 4 and 5, and the only real big man we've been bringing off the bench is Baby (Posey is not a real PF). Pollard isn't playing, and neither is Scal.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 21, 2008 22:06:32 GMT -5
I hear you. But he is getting time. He's gotten time the past two games. Like I said we are forced to go small to get posey in the game because we have Allen and Pierce commanding so many minutes. It's not possible to get Posey minutes without playing him at pf. If Powe and Davis are going to play Posey isn't. Unless we move Posey to sg and sit TA which makes no sense either. It's a logjam. It's more a matter of playing guys in spots and stretches which is not easy but powe is getting time. I can understand why we were going with Posey and Baby early on and Powe was the odd man out. Now he's making his way into the rotation but its going to have to be in spots.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 21, 2008 22:12:13 GMT -5
Not trying to be an (censored) btw.. But I do feel like throwing out tony dungy comments like "we play to win the game" sometimes..... Just as long as you don't mind. We are 33-6 and I'm kind of at that point.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 22, 2008 4:53:38 GMT -5
He doesnt get playing time because good teams are able to put together a 8-9 man rotation and stick with it. Also, it doesnt help that he can only play one position (PF), and we happen to have a top 5 all time PF starting for this team. But if you ask me, it's because he is nothing special as a player. Brandon Hunter 2.0.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 22, 2008 16:47:29 GMT -5
He's nothing special, but he's more of a rebouding and shot blocking big man than Posey. Our small ball tactic leaves us in trouble on the boards.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 22, 2008 22:08:30 GMT -5
Powe is better than Brandon Hunter. COmpletely different players. Hunter was a slowfooted mass trying to play basketball. He shouldn't have even been in the league. Powe actually has a game, and knows how to play and is a hardnosed player. Not the greatest athlete. But someone has to be the odd man out and Powe is kind of that guy. He will get time in stretches and do some damage in certain situations but he is isn't a guy that should be playing a ton. He's a good 10th or 11th man and that's how we should use him and have been..
I really like our rotation. We have a solid 9 man rotation with Posey, House, TA, DAvis. Then we have Pollard, Powe, Scal, Pruitt who can all play in spots. I also like how Doc has been playing guys and using the rotation. I have 0 problems with this team and how we are doing things. If I were to envision this team doign what i want, they would be doing exactly what they are doing. How's that for crack analysis?
we need to open up our offense a bit and we've gotten predictable and fatigued at times but thats going to happen. We also need to do a better job utilizing guys in spots and just get better all around, but that stuff will come. I love the direction this team is taking and we are doing all the right things imo.
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Post by kofanis0880 on Jan 23, 2008 0:27:04 GMT -5
There is no reason why Scal should ever get in a game before Powe, (or Pollard for that matter if Perk or KG are in.)
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Post by eja117 on Jan 23, 2008 22:03:34 GMT -5
There is no reason why Scal should ever get in a game before Powe, (or Pollard for that matter if Perk or KG are in.) I agree except Scal is a better shooter. And passer. That would make a good poll.
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Post by eja117 on Jan 23, 2008 22:04:55 GMT -5
Not trying to be an (censored) btw.. But I do feel like throwing out tony dungy comments like "we play to win the game" sometimes..... Just as long as you don't mind. We are 33-6 and I'm kind of at that point. I hate guys that say stuff like this but that was Herm Edwards. It was a damn good point he made too
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Post by eja117 on Jan 23, 2008 22:12:10 GMT -5
I agree Powe is better than Hunter. Hunter was a senior out of Ohio and Powe was a soph out of Cal drafted higher despite a history of knee problems. I think the truth of Powe is sort of in between. When there was very little talent here he got more time than he normally would have and seemed very good, and now that the team is the most talented in the league he hardly gets any. I think on an inbetween team like ..I don't know..the Bobcats or Milwaukee or the Knicks or something he'd get some time and do fine, but I don't think he can be any kind of star. He'll be doing well if he can become a reliable 8th man. He's an awesome 12th for us cause of his toughness. Probably a great practice player. He's probably helping Davis become what he is becoming by giving him everything he has every day in practice.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 23, 2008 22:28:20 GMT -5
Yeah powe is good. NOthign wrong with leon. I also know derren just likes to draw up scenarios and stuff and present different ideas and isn't trying to beat me over the head with this stuff either. Like i said, I'm not trying to be an (censored) or deter derren bringing up points, because he brings up a lot of good ones. Leon is a good player and should play. I just am not going to agree if i dont agree sometimes.
You are right that was herm edwards. I knew tony dungy wasn't right but i couldnt figure out who it was. It was a good point he made. That's what we are basically doing. That's why i have no issues with this team. We are doing everything we can and our record speaks to that...
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Post by runrondo on Jan 23, 2008 22:39:39 GMT -5
I think of Leon as another Big Baby on the team..Leon is a better defender mostly cause of his bigger arms but Big Baby is better at finishing though Powe's not a slob at that either..I think both him and Powe are about equal and using them together in a lineup would be killer..There both extremely valuable and now Doc can use one of them in some games and the other in the other games to not give them too much time and wear them out and keep their showings fresh and new...
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Post by cfoo on Jan 23, 2008 23:19:28 GMT -5
Not to preach but I will anyways, but winning games encompasses a lot of things. We have a team and a coach who is dedicated to winning. That's a good thing. It wasn't long ago people were calling for doc's head and I always thought that was wrong and peoples own shortsightedness. Winning isnt just about doing everything you possibly can to win every game. It's about working guys in and bringing guys along and playing different guys when we can and getting different guys time, while also trying to win games. I 've always understood this about doc and I know how he thinks and he's a good coach and this team has a lot of players that fit in their roles. It's a good team. I wouldn't take any player back we made in the jefferson deal because i think we got the best player for each role and kept allt he best players that fit out team the best. There is no way we could have played all those guys. Does Gerald fit better than TA? I dont think so. I think TA fits better because he's also young and a more physical player. I think Garnett fits better than JEfferson. I think allen fits better than WAlly. I think Rondo and House fit better than west. I think Davis fits better than gomes. Same with Powe because he gives us depth and isnt going to command as much time. etc, etc.. Doc isnt going to go out there and play everyone one game just so we can win that one game. This team is just dedicated to winning in general. We will do whatever we can to win and to win a championship ultimately. Thats the game we are trying to win. You are going to have some ups and downs when you are trying to win. That's just the way it is. Not everyone can play all the time. We are trying to win games and be the best we can when it matters at the same time and we are doing that. This teams record speaks volumes for the coaching staff and the players and the management and they all deserve credit. We are winning games and we also aren't sacrificing our future and what we are trying to accomplish by doing that.
I also agree that powe and baby have value to this team and both guys should play. im not opposed at all to playing both at times..
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Post by runrondo on Jan 23, 2008 23:22:33 GMT -5
Well, i just like the thought of giving Powe a chance one game more than Baby and then vice versa because then it keeps their appearances fresh and more effective i think..Both playing at times will be all heart and hustle though i wonder about our defense ...Like what Doc did tonight was cool too which was give Powe the big man bench minutes in the first half and then Big Baby the big man minutes in the 2nd half...
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