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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 25, 2017 15:05:43 GMT -5
I think he's devastated that he's no longer with THIS team. He really found his place here. It was in Boston, under Brad Stevens, where he finally was able to make a name for himself. This was his team, he was the face of the franchise, he was beloved by the fans and media, he earned respect from his peers, he was recognized as one of the best in the game, and he genuinely wanted to help this team win a title.
To have that suddenly taken away from him hurt him in many ways. Consider that he goes from being the top dog on HIS team, to being a minor sidekick on Lebron's (that's probably upsetting him too).
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Post by jmost on Aug 25, 2017 15:56:14 GMT -5
I agree with all of that, DM. I think it's fair to say that we all wish him the best. At least he and Jae have each other to lean on.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 25, 2017 17:36:16 GMT -5
IT is probably just hurt.
Ainge's job is to make the team better. Remember when Ainge traded Walker right from the start? He did not think the team was built to win then, and did not think the team was built now. BOS got a beat down from CLE, who got a beat down from GS.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 25, 2017 20:17:52 GMT -5
IT embraced being a Celtic and loved it in Boston. If you didn't read it or have forgotten it, you should read his article in the Player's Tribune on Boston. www.theplayerstribune.com/isaiah-thomas-celtics-boston-letter/amp/I imagine he is hurt because he poured everything he had into Boston and thought he'd be there long term. I can imagine that he was blindsided and now has to go to the team that was the enemy. It's going to take him some time to process it all. I know it will take me time and I wasn't even traded. Poor Jae has more on his mind than the trade. I can imagine he is still hurting from the death of his mom. The trade will hit him hard later. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 25, 2017 20:24:43 GMT -5
IT embraced being a Celtic and loved it in Boston. If you didn't read it or have forgotten it, you should read his article in the Player's Tribune on Boston. www.theplayerstribune.com/isaiah-thomas-celtics-boston-letter/amp/I imagine he is hurt because he poured everything he had into Boston and thought he'd be there long term. I can imagine that he was blindsided and now has to go to the team that was the enemy. It's going to take him some time to process it all. I know it will take me time and I wasn't even traded. Poor Jae has more on his mind than the trade. I can imagine he is still hurting from the death of his mom. The trade will hit him hard later. These emotional aspects of trading IT and Crowder make Ainge look bad, like a heartless scrooge. But that's not fair to him. He's not Head of Basketball Operations to make players happy and comfortable -- his job is to construct a roster that will compete for championships. Sometimes he'll have to do the unpopular thing, but in the end, it's all for what's best for the team. Much like how Bird saw the plays 2 plays ahead, so too Ainge makes moves with an eye over the horizon, anticipating moves thst he can possibly make in the future. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 25, 2017 20:57:28 GMT -5
Yes, it does make him look like a heartless Scrooge. But that is the best way for a GM to be. I just read an article from the Globe that quoted Danny telling the story back before he traded Pierce and Garnett about how he couldn't understand how Red wouldn't trade Bird and McHale as they aged.
I, on the other hand am an emotional mess. I still am not over Perk being traded. I probably never will. I was upset when Pierce was traded because I felt he deserved the right to retire as a Celtic since he had given so much to the team. But that worked out pretty good and those Nets picks sure did help me get over it. Now, I am feeling for Isaiah because he certainly deserved better but I know that the move to trade him was the right thing for the franchise if you eliminate the sentimentality.
I do fear the fact that the Celtics traded away a great deal of their heart when they traded AB, IT and Jae. I just hope that the team will still have the heart and the fight that last year's team had.
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Post by Celtic17 on Aug 25, 2017 23:07:43 GMT -5
A lot of radio personalities seem to think IT is pissed. I wonder if he's more pissed or hurt/disappointed. I think it's more the latter, but it could be a little of both. Hurt and very disappointed. If he were 3 years younger, things may have been different. Ya gotta like the kid... |
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Post by Celtic17 on Aug 25, 2017 23:15:58 GMT -5
As far as Crowder 99...
He was one of the few players I would have bought his jersey.
Looking for a deal on one now.
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Post by jmost on Aug 26, 2017 8:44:29 GMT -5
Now there are reports that the Cavs may have seen something in IT's physical that concerns them. Could the trade be called off? How awkward would that be! Or are the Cavs angling for another piece, ie Tatum - which I think would be a deal breaker.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 26, 2017 10:14:40 GMT -5
They knew that IT had the hip problem. I'm sure that they had all of the information on his hip that the Celtics had. The Celtics already said that he was to be re-evaluated in Sept. They made the trade knowing all that.
If I put on my conspiracy tin hat, I'd say that they traded for IT without contacting LeBron thinking that the BKN pick was good insurance for if LBJ decided to leave after the seaosn. LeBron wasn't happy with getting IT and Jae back and pitched a fit and they decided to use the physical to void the trade.
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Maybe their new GM saw a way to take out their biggest competition by making the trade, knowing they could void it. Now they send IT and Jae back to a very broken locker room in shambles. The Celtics are a mess and then they trade Kyrie somewhere else for a good pkg.
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Maybe they just saw a way to get more from the celtics in the trade. Maybe they are still after Jayson. I'd rather void the trade than give them Tatum. Maybe they want the Lakers pick too. That would be some haul if they get it. They also have Derrick Rose at the point so if IT was just going to be out at the beginning of the season that shouldn't void it, especially since Danny told them that up front.
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They really did find something in IT's physical that gave them pause and they aren't sure IT can play up to his previous level of play. In that case, the Celtics are kind of in trouble. They get a hobbled IT back who is disgruntled, along with a disgruntled Jae and we can pretty much forget about this season.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 26, 2017 11:12:42 GMT -5
Didn't BOS recently replace all of its personal trainers?
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 26, 2017 16:18:32 GMT -5
Didn't BOS recently replace all of its personal trainers? Yes they did. But it would be the doctors rather than the trainers who would have dealt with the injury after it happened. He's been rehabbing up in Tacoma rather than in Boston. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 26, 2017 18:17:15 GMT -5
There's also talk that Lebron would have preferred to trade Kyrie to PHO for Bledsoe and Josh Jackson. Maybe Lebron threw a fit and is somehow now threatening CLE to reneg on the trade with us.
This would be a terrible PR move if CLE does this. You don't agree on a trade and then change your mind -- the mental damage to players involved has already been delivered. In some cases it may not be reversible. Maybe Jae and IT won't forgive Ainge, and may not play their hearts out for Boston, knowing that Ainge could very well trade them away at any moment.
Like you mentioned, FL, Ainge was straight forward with the injury. CLE agreed to the trade knowing that IT still was not performing basketball related activities, and that he was set to see the doctor again soon.
If this trade falls through, this further muddies CLE's management's image. No one should ever do business with them again.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 26, 2017 20:05:09 GMT -5
You have a point Derren. The Cavs have a brand new GM without a lot of experience. This is really his first big deal with any team. It doesn't give him a good look. He may think that he's being very smart trying to get more by bringing up questions now but it's definitely not good practice.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 26, 2017 22:21:33 GMT -5
My opinion: 2 different doctor staffs gave 2 different prognosis. I am OK if CLE wants say something of marginal value, however Tatum, Brown, and LAL pick are nonnegotiable. Both teams would be in bad spots. CLE won't get a better deal, and reports have Irving not going to camp (CLE).
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