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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 10, 2014 18:20:00 GMT -5
I think Smart is a candidate to fall too (like Wiggins). Smart is not a true PG (his turnovers are up this year) and he's not an elite scoring threat. If you aren't a true PG, you gotta be a big scoring threat (Westbrook, Tony Parker). And if you struggle to score, you gotta be able to lead and fascilitate well (Kendall Marshall). What kind of comparison is this?? If ur not a "true" pg u need to be a big scoring threat like Parker and westbrook(which I agree with). Or a fascilitater AND Leader like Kendall BLEEPIN Marshall??? The same guy drafted and cut by the pheonix suns the same year?? Same guy they wouldn't let even Sniff the floor on a rebuilding team?? Same guy that couldn't even get on a team before a couple weeks ago?? The same guy that is shooting 15% for jump shots? The same guy that in a D'Antoni system, only manages to put up only 8 assists per game playing like 35 min. Per game?? This is the Leader and Fascilitator that u are putting in the same breath as Parker or Westbrook... Like if your not Parker or Westbrook, as long as you are Kendall BLEEPIN Marshall your fine as a PG. Just try using 1 of 35 other point guards that are waaay better decision makers and Leaders than Kendall Marshall.. Thats disrespectful to Parker, Westbrook and almost every other pg in the league. :-) No, out of context. I'm saying to make it in the NBA as a PG, you gotta be good at something. Either scoring, or fascilitating. Kendall Marshall has recently been making headlines for his big assist totals. Even at UNC, he was a passing wizard. This guy is not a perimeter threat, he's not good at attacking the basket, but he's surviving in the NBA because he can pass the ball well. Marcus Smart, earlier this year, was a perimeter threat -- his three point accuracy had improved, and that boosted him to the top 5 in mock drafts. But he's hit the wall hard and has struggled beyond the arc, and how his stock has dropped at bit. In the NBA, you gotta be able to pass or score. If you're questionable at both, you're not going to make it. |
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Post by nateval on Jan 10, 2014 20:17:29 GMT -5
Here is what I think of a few guys
Parker- Parker is the most NBA ready guy out of all the top picks. He will go to a team a make an immediate impact probably have a good shot at winning ROY and be the focal point on offense of whatever team picks him. Right now I say he would go #1
Wiggins- I have got to see a lot of Kansas games trying to see as much as I can of Embiid and Wiggins. Wiggins doesnt stand out on the team but I think it's because of how good his teammates are too. Embiid, Wiggins, Selden are most likely first rounders and Ellis will go early second. Wiggins has such a smooth stroke, is incredibly athletic and has potential to play elite defense. Elite defense at the SF position is a very nice thing to have. I like CF's quote about Wiggins "This still is a guy who people were saying is the next basketball god. Michael Jordan wasn't ridiculous in college either." Wiggins has all the tools to be a great player. People are saying Wiggins is "slipping" but is he really? Should "falling" to the 5th pick in a very special draft be considered slipping?
Julius Randel- Randel is the last guy I would take out of the top 5 or 6 guys. IMO Randle wont have as high as a ceiling as the rest of the guys. NBA players are bigger and stronger I think Randle will have a harder time fighting for rebounds and points in the paint. I saw a stat that really stuck out to me a few games ago about Randle. It said Randle had only shot 8 jump shots on the season and he was 0-8. You still need to be able to make a jumper if your a PF IMO. I cant find the stat myself and it was a few games ago but that really scares the crap out of me.
Marcus Smart- Smart is the only top guy playing on a team with no other pro help and also probably has the best team out of all the "big freshman" teams. Smart is a really good leader and will be a very good pro. I agree with CF Smarts defense is really good too. Smart has the disadvantage of teams really having to just game plan for him. DM Smart actually has cut down his TO this season from 3.4 to 2.7 Smart will be a really good pro
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 10, 2014 21:09:19 GMT -5
I stand corrected. His turnover ratio is better this year.
Still, he's averaging 4 apg to 2.7 turnover per game. I still question his ability to play Point. Yes, he's a leader, but it takes more than that to succeed.
As for Randle, the knock on him coming out of high school was he played the perimeter too much. Now he's producing in the paint, and he's being fault for not taking enough perimeter shots. Hmmm... And I disagree with his rebounding. It's probably the skill that I feel will carry over to the NBA. He's quick off his feet and he attacks rebounds well. My thing with Randle is I don't think his ceiling is as high as Parker's, Wiggins', and Embiid's.
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Post by runrondo on Jan 10, 2014 21:17:14 GMT -5
At this point, I'd want Parker, Embiid, or Wiggins/Randle. I'm starting to fall for Embiid a little. I still like Randle's game a lot, I just think Embiid's potential (plus height!) really is exciting.
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Post by nateval on Jan 10, 2014 21:20:02 GMT -5
Didnt know Randel played the perimeter too much in high school crazy. Why doesnt he shoot more? He would be a lot more attractive prospect if he could prove he has a decent shot. Did he shoot threes in HS? Dont get me wrong Randle will be able to rebound in the NBA he just wont be dominate like he is now. Randle bullies people I think he will have a harder time doing that in the pros.
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Post by nateval on Jan 10, 2014 21:24:57 GMT -5
At this point, I'd want Parker, Embiid, or Wiggins/Randle. I'm starting to fall for Embiid a little. I still like Randle's game a lot, I just think Embiid's potential (plus height!) really is exciting. I agree Embiid would be the guy I would take. I watched the Kansas game from Wednesday I had on DVR today. Embiid didnt have a big stat line but oozes potential. He took a shot from right inside the 3 point line in the game. He missed it but it didnt look terrible. He shoots FT very well if he develops any kind of mid range game the sky would be the limit for this kid. I dont think he will go number 1 and I believe with a little luck we could end up with as high as the third pick and Embiid would luckily fall in our lap. |
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Post by nateval on Jan 10, 2014 21:54:03 GMT -5
DM I know your pretty high on Sheldon too so I tried to watch him a little more in that Wednesday night game. He had his best game yet looked really good. He is from Massachusetts and actually played Prep in Tilton NH. I like local guys. Some good prep hoops right in my neighborhood and I never have seen any of the preps play, Noel went to the same school. I think Sheldon is expected to go late teens early 20's he would be a real nice with the ATL/NJ pick.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 10, 2014 22:07:03 GMT -5
I like Gary Stevens too along with Sheldon. As far as Smart he's a really good rebounder and is an attacking player on both ends of the court. I love his mentality. Something with OSU and those guys. They know how to bring it. I just don't see us draftng a player like that. He's kind of an enigma because he's a point guard who can play like a power forward. He's big. Between he and parker though i really like their mentalities. Embiid is just a quiet quality beast of a big man.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 10, 2014 22:12:28 GMT -5
Or Gary Harris rather. Not stevens. Always been a fan of michigan, osu and michigan state college hoops as well as umass and uconn. I like their style of play in college. hoosier basketball is always good too. The issue is guards from michigan state dont always pan out in the nba. Harris is one of the better shooters they've had though. They have had some good guards in the pros too but it's like 50/50 make it or bust.
Harris looks like a hawk to me for some reason but we may end up with the hawks pick.
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Post by nateval on Jan 10, 2014 22:13:31 GMT -5
I think you met Gary Harris. I like Harris too another guy we could take with our second pick
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Post by nateval on Jan 10, 2014 22:16:27 GMT -5
I havent watched 1 UMASS game its kind of a shame last I looked the where ranked #19. Who is the star of that team? Any first round talent on the team?
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Post by cfoo on Jan 10, 2014 22:21:26 GMT -5
I am in the same boat. I slowly lost interest since hte early 90's when camby was there. They have had some tough years for so long i moved away from western mass and kind of lost interest. They were big in western mass though always on the radio. Used to go to games at the mullens center because i lived like 15 minutes away. I saw that too last night. They were on tv and were ranked 19 and i was like whoah is umass actually good again? I didn't even know.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 10, 2014 22:58:11 GMT -5
Gary Harris is a quality player. He's what we hoped E'Twuan Moore could have been. I think Harris goes somewhere between 8 and 16 in the draft -- right where we will not be picking. I'd enjoy having him on the team, though.
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Post by nateval on Jan 10, 2014 23:18:07 GMT -5
Yeah your probably right DM Harris is probably more in the upper 2nd tier of prospects in the draft.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 10, 2014 23:45:58 GMT -5
One day, when we look back at this draft, we might find that Harris is among the top 8 players drafted in '14.
I'm still hoping we can get McDermott with Atlanta's early 20's pick. He might not last that long though.
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