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Post by nateval on Jan 11, 2014 0:05:24 GMT -5
I havent seen him play but really would like to catch a game. When Im looking at games on TV I think I just glance over Creighton I never think about McDermott. Nice luxury to have picking high in the draft and then picking a guy up like McDermott with your second pick.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 11, 2014 0:07:14 GMT -5
he's a shooter which can be hit and miss in the nba. You have to be a really good one to separate yourself from the rest sometimes. He also is a good defender and has other aspects of his game though. He's not just a shooter. He can score a bit too.
Our team needs a center and defensive presence in the paint and scorers imo. We need talent and just a player or superstar that can put us over teh top.
Bayless might be pretty good though. Who knows. I would like to think Harris would be better than bayless but i wouldn't sell the farm to get harris either. Harris would go well with bradley though imo. but it might create a bit of a logjam and similar players.
I agree he's more a later pick liek sheldon although id still might put harris in my top 10 right now just because i dont know the other guys in that area too well. I know Sheldon somewhat very little and harris i have liked
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 11, 2014 0:10:30 GMT -5
No, he offers more than just an outside stroke. He's a crafty scorer around the basket. You can run plays with him in the post, where he's good at the up and under move. He's a smart player, and not just a black hole offensively. He's a solid rebounder too. He's more than a one trick pony like Kyle Korver.
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Post by cfoo on Jan 11, 2014 0:14:04 GMT -5
Right i like his feel for the game. He is a scorer too. He just seems like a quality player to me. Sheldon is kind of the same thing to me but different players. I havent seen enough of either to really tell you the differences. I just know they look pretty good.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 11, 2014 0:21:49 GMT -5
Selden needs to find his niche. He's not going to be given 20 shots per game, and he doesn't fit into the corner three shooter role either. He's like Avery Bradley -- a slasher who can also play the midrange game.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 11, 2014 20:39:46 GMT -5
Syracuse's Jeremy Grant and Tyler Ennis are quality college players, but nothing special at the next level. I had higher hopes for Ennis coming into college, and maybe its just under Boeheim he's not shining. I see Grant as another Cuse product, Hakeem Warrick.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 11, 2014 20:49:41 GMT -5
Here is what I think of a few guys Parker- Parker is the most NBA ready guy out of all the top picks. He will go to a team a make an immediate impact probably have a good shot at winning ROY and be the focal point on offense of whatever team picks him. Right now I say he would go #1 Wiggins- I have got to see a lot of Kansas games trying to see as much as I can of Embiid and Wiggins. Wiggins doesnt stand out on the team but I think it's because of how good his teammates are too. Embiid, Wiggins, Selden are most likely first rounders and Ellis will go early second. Wiggins has such a smooth stroke, is incredibly athletic and has potential to play elite defense. Elite defense at the SF position is a very nice thing to have. I like CF's quote about Wiggins "This still is a guy who people were saying is the next basketball god. Michael Jordan wasn't ridiculous in college either." Wiggins has all the tools to be a great player. People are saying Wiggins is "slipping" but is he really? Should "falling" to the 5th pick in a very special draft be considered slipping? Julius Randel- Randel is the last guy I would take out of the top 5 or 6 guys. IMO Randle wont have as high as a ceiling as the rest of the guys. NBA players are bigger and stronger I think Randle will have a harder time fighting for rebounds and points in the paint. I saw a stat that really stuck out to me a few games ago about Randle. It said Randle had only shot 8 jump shots on the season and he was 0-8. You still need to be able to make a jumper if your a PF IMO. I cant find the stat myself and it was a few games ago but that really scares the crap out of me. Marcus Smart- Smart is the only top guy playing on a team with no other pro help and also probably has the best team out of all the "big freshman" teams. Smart is a really good leader and will be a very good pro. I agree with CF Smarts defense is really good too. Smart has the disadvantage of teams really having to just game plan for him. DM Smart actually has cut down his TO this season from 3.4 to 2.7 Smart will be a really good pro Michael Jordan wasn't ridiculous in college? Well, he did win the ACC freshmen of the year, on a team oriented Dean Smith squad. I wonder if Wiggins is going to win the conference freshman of the year award. As a junior, Jordan won the Oscar Robertson award, the John Wooden award, and the Naismith award. He was also a consensus NCAA All-American first team his sophomore and junior year. But even without talking awards, where the focus needs to be on is the demeanor -- does Wiggins have the demeanor to be a great one, both in college and especially when he enters the NBA? |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 11, 2014 23:30:24 GMT -5
Perry Ellis from Kansas seems like a guy who could do well under Coach Brad. Coach can probably look at the analytics and put the fundamentally sound Ellis in places where he will excel.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 11, 2014 23:36:46 GMT -5
Wayne Selden is starting to find his groove. These Jayhawks guys play unselfishly to a fault. Selden is guilty of it too, but lately it seems he's found a happy medium between sharing and attacking.
Selden and Harris are SG's who I think can play important roles for whoeve drafts them.
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Post by nateval on Jan 12, 2014 9:39:35 GMT -5
Jordan 81-82 Freshaman
13.5 ppg 31.7 minutes 534 fg% 72%FT 4.4 Rebounds 1.8 assists 1.7 TO 0.2 Blocks 1.2 Steals
Wiggins 13-14 Freshman
15.7 ppg 31.5 minutes 446 fg% 76%FT 5.4 Rebounds 1.4 assists 1.7 TO 0.9 Blocks 1.0 Steals
Jordan never attempted a 3 point shot his freshman year I thought that was a little odd. I think the point of CF's quote was that even MJ wasnt MJ in college. At 13.5 ppg was he the alpha dog? Thats a serious question I was born in 80 so I didnt get to see him in college. Did he have 3 other actual possible 1st round picks on the team with him? Did he have the possible #1 pick on his team? Wiggins is a 18 year old kid who just moved to a different country who has played 15 college games. Jordan won a title his freshman year but that was his only one, if Wiggins hits a couple of game winners in March watch how quick peoples perception of Wiggins changes.
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Post by nateval on Jan 12, 2014 9:40:52 GMT -5
Jordan 81-82 Freshaman 13.5 ppg 31.7 minutes 534 fg% 72%FT 4.4 Rebounds 1.8 assists 1.7 TO 0.2 Blocks 1.2 Steals Wiggins 13-14 Freshman 15.7 ppg 31.5 minutes 446 fg% 76%FT 5.4 Rebounds 1.4 assists 1.7 TO 0.9 Blocks 1.0 Steals Jordan never attempted a 3 point shot his freshman year I thought that was a little odd. I think the point of CF's quote was that even MJ wasnt MJ in college. At 13.5 ppg was he the alpha dog? Thats a serious question I was born in 80 so I didnt get to see him in college. Did he have 3 other actual possible 1st round picks on the team with him? Did he have the possible #1 pick on his team? Wiggins is a 18 year old kid who just moved to a different country who has played 15 college games. Jordan won a title his freshman year but that was his only one, if Wiggins hits a couple of game winners in March watch how quick peoples perception of Wiggins changes. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 12, 2014 12:02:43 GMT -5
And Wiggins could very turn it on and have a great college career like Jordan did (if for some reason Wiggins decides to stay 3 years). And I'd be elated if he turns it on, cause right now that's what everyone is waiting for. He's a franchise level player who hasn't played like it his rookie season. Carmelo and Durant played great as freshmen, and we know how they turned out in the NBA (All-Stars). And then there have been lots of high potential players who didn't light it up in college, but went high in the draft, and they didn't light it up in the NBA.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jan 12, 2014 22:34:17 GMT -5
Jordan was at 53% FG%, and Wiggins is at 44%, other stats the same?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 15, 2014 11:34:12 GMT -5
If the draft were today, my big board would look like this:
1) Embiid
2) Parker
3) Randle
4) Exum (if he's as good as advertised)
5) Wiggins
6) Smart
7) Harris
8) McDermott
9) Gordon
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Post by nateval on Jan 15, 2014 14:22:10 GMT -5
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