Derren's Top 10 Big Board

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I forgot Exum on that too. Oops. He is that darkhorse who i can't even rate or know where to put right now. He is ahead of guys like Gordon and Harris and Randle more than likely for me though. I don't really know much about him. He seems like a reggie lewis level talent but is more of a pg/sg vs a small forward. Could be a poor mans kobe bryant. Could be penny. Could be kerry kittles. I really don't know much about him. You can see his slashing ability and dexterity in videos like derren commented on before. I think dexterity is what i see when i think of him. He's thin but quick and dextrous. Reggie Lewis was this.

I think outside of the 4 i mentioned(smart, wiggins, parker, embiid). I think exum would be that darkhorse. Randle i can see. Not really favoring that pick though. Gordon and Harris are more a step below but i like them as players. We have picks in future years where we can move up this draft and have a lot of flexibility. i think that is a strong possibility actually.

[DERRENMATTS]

If Exum can be a shooting threat, he's an All-Star.

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Exum is smoother than reggie in how he goes up for his shot. He's more like kobe that way. Reggie was a slasher and dextrous but his shot he would have to set his feet. I think Exum more flows naturally with his shot. Could be wrong here though. But he seems more like kobe in that regard. He's somewhere in between kobe and lewis that way.

Lewis would post you up like green does and had better post moves. He was more of a set shooter though.

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where green lacks to me is he is athletic but he doesnt finish his movements and isnt that dextrous. he is more smooth and tries to be smooth but really struggles taking his game to that next level like fresh has pointed out. He's not that good so far. And may never be. He lacks that extra gear consistantly. he's not fundamentally sound in his post game. He's not great at anything except dunking an dgoing off for 40 points every so often. he's also a set shooter and struggles with his shot. He has pull jumpers. He has them. The ball just doesn't go in with any consistency. His game in the post and shooting it is pretty mediocre. He's also a mediocre finsiher because he doesn't always finish. Still feel like green can get better but he isn't so far and may never be more than what fresh is talking about because he lacks that extra gear or move.

green may always be a glorified boris diaw with more offense but not efficient and less everything else. I think green could be efficient and improve other aspects of his game. But hasn't. He's a poor man's james worthy and what james worthy would be if he wasn't good or polished or have that extra gear. He doesn't have that beast mode like worthy did. He's worthy without the smooth.

He's the anti boris diaw. This year was a good year for him to work on his game. Maybe it will still pay off but he is frustrating. Still patient but i can understand the frustration with him. He is about as bad a player as one could hope for right now because he really doesn't do anything that positive minus some big games and blocks here and there.

I think the celtics would lean towards moving him at this point and drafting someone else with more upside, although he may start to turn it around after we do. Still dont think we have to force that though. I think ainge can hold these guys even still for another year. It doesn't hurt.

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Anyways this is a strong draft. Vonleh, Mcdermott, Enis all figure into that top 10 imo.

Celticsblog has a different take on their rankings. I'm not sure i'd move randle down that far. I also don't believe Smart is the 7th best player. I don't really agree with his rankings although Vonleh and Mcdermott are going to be better than expected and the hype for Wiggins and Embiid is real and they shouldn't fall off the top of peoples draft boards by any means.

www.celticsblog.com/2014/4/8/5593932/2014-nba-draft-big-board-embiid-wiggins-parker-exum-analysis-randle-mcdermott-kevin-oconnor-gordon

I still like gary harris better than tyler ennis probably because i've never watched enis but he just doesn't excite me that much. Just his vibe i get is he is l ike a mike conley player possibly though. Just solid all around guy potentially. I have never watched him play in my life though. I'm sort of good like that though where i get vibes on players. I've never read anything on him or seen a picture of him. Just going by his name and who i envision him as. Could be more jason k idd for all i know.

Harris could still be a bust and i'm overrating him too. I get that. Still my top 7 is about right. Although Vonleh is a riser for me and should be in that for sure. Same with Exum. Mcdermott is also a good player. Probably much more upside with those guys over harris. Still like Harris. Vonleh is another guy i would probably take though.

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funny just read that write up and he compared enis to mike conley after i said that. i have psychic abilities for sure. All i knew was his name. that is the first thing i've read on enis and i read it after the fact. I don't even know if he is black or white or mixed race. No clue. my blind scouting report on him is mike conley with a bit of jason kidd to him and more of a passer. efficient all round but limited upside. possible mixed race. solid all around guy like damon stoudemire too. can't really tell if he is more offensive or more like kidd.

either psychic abilities or racial profiling lol. Either way i'm just going by his name and how i envision him.

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cf's daily updated rankings

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Embiid
4. Smart
5. Gordon
6. Vonleh
7. Exum
8. Randle
9. Harris
10. Enis

not sure wehre to put exum and randle vs gordon and vonleh. Might flip flop that one. hope we can do better than all those guys. Hoping embiid goes number 1. Parker has a decision to make. Mcdermott and a few others not cracking my top 10 yet. Other players like Kauley Stein and Stauskis i have looked at a bit and like. That's about all i've looked at though.

I think at this point i have smart solidified as the 4th best player on my board outside of the big 3. Wiggins, Parker and Embiid are still somewhat of a toss up. They are all so very close, but i think i'm gaining some ground there. Feels like it. Could change tomorrow lol.

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I think out of all those guys right now Stauskis is the most likely to crack my top 10. Shooters be found. I think that's why I don't value Mcdermott that much. If we are deciding between Stauskis and Mcdermott at 16 which doesn't seem likely i would have a hard time making that choice. Have to research a bit more. I really have not seen anything except maybe a video on most of these guys.

Seems to me like mcdermott might be more of a complete player and scorer and deserves to go higher. He seems liek mroe of a player maybe in the mold of gordon hayward, but sometimes these guys are not that good.

I would be more inclined to get a really good player with our top pick and get a rim protector with our 2nd pick like Stein or something like that.

[derrenattheoffice]

Update 5/6/14

We are under 2 months away from the draft. Still lots of time before the dust starts to settle. As of today, here's how I see it.

1) Parker
2) Embiid
3) Wiggins
4) Randle
5) Exum
6) Gordon
7) Vonleh
8) Harris
9) McDermott
10) Saric

[freshnthehouse]

May 6, 2014 18:46:42 GMT -5 derrenattheoffice said:

Update 5/6/14

We are under 2 months away from the draft. Still lots of time before the dust starts to settle. As of today, here's how I see it.

1) Parker
2) Embiid
3) Wiggins
4) Randle
5) Exum
6) Gordon
7) Vonleh
8) Harris
9) McDermott
10) Saric

That's a solid group. I think you could make the argument that around 7-8 of those guys could've been the #1 overall pick in last year's draft.

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Not sure if its a typo, but from the combine numbers, Julius Randle stands 6'9" with shoes on (and who is really going play without shoes???), and his wingspan is 7'. If this is really his wingspan, it can't be considered short.

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Think about this before you answer:

Does Jabari have a quick enough first step to get by good NBA defenders?

[Roadrunner]

May 17, 2014 14:36:23 GMT -5 DERRENMATTS said:

Think about this before you answer:

Does Jabari have a quick enough first step to get by good NBA defenders?

Probably not. Look at the only game Duke played in the NCAA tournament this year. Parker was bad.

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Wiggins has a quick first step. Exum has a quick first step. Gordon has a quick first step.

Jabari maybe has an average one.

This doesn't mean Jabari doesn't have a bright future. Pierce didn't have a quick first step either. But Pierce had a lethal mid range game with a great step back move.

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I woke up this morning with this top 10 in my head. Just messing around but apparently my brain was doing things when I was asleep

1. Parker
2. Embiid
3. Wiggins
4. Harris
5. Gordon
6. Smart
7. Exum
8. Randle
9. Vonleh

I still don't know where to put Harris or Exum. They might flip flop. Vonleh is also a tricky player on where to rank and deserves to be higher I feel. Exum is good. I like him but I also think players get overly hyped and I tend to go against the grain. I think he is probably better than harris but who knows. my brain when it was asleep was trying to figure out where to rank these guys and i'm not sure.

Is Exum better than Harris? I'd hate to rate harris ahead of a guy that so many people think is kobe Bryant. I'm impressed with his quickness but I also could see him being overrated. I also could see Aigne really liking him but this could just be hype and baloney.

everyone likes exum so I don't. Not much logic in that. I think he's good and like his talent.