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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Aug 2, 2005 23:46:12 GMT -5
Antione for flotsam, 2 2nd rounders and another 5.7 million dollar trade exception is not moving forward.
Qyntel Woods will never see PT anywhere in this league.
That Spanish center is not walking through that door.
Curtis Boreshat is not an upgrade to Mark Blonut.
What are we going to do with a 7 million dollar trade voucher?
Pierce has got to want out too.
We are definitely rebuilding, now.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Aug 3, 2005 0:28:11 GMT -5
i think we can't judge the trade until we see how the trade exception is used. and let's not forget - walker was gone anyway - danny managed to squeeze more assets for him.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 3, 2005 1:18:58 GMT -5
This trade is better than
a) getting nothing for Antoine.
b) having Antoine on your team. Especially at 6yrs/52 million. Thats not moving forward, thats digging a hole. Im just glad he's gone.
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Post by mev17 on Aug 3, 2005 1:22:15 GMT -5
It does not appear that there were many sign-and-trade offers out there, as the choice was this trade or lose Walker for nothing. Ainge was not going to pay Walker more than $5 million and did not want to sign him to a long term contract. Keep in mind this trade was not meant to pay off immediately, but is more to set up a future deal, given the $5.5 million trade exemption and two expiring contracts (plus two second round picks we can use or include in a trade). Here is a quote from the Herald: celtics.bostonherald.com/celtics/view.bg?articleid=96387Boy, for such a major trade to have occurred, it sure is quiet around here.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Aug 3, 2005 3:09:46 GMT -5
Boy, for such a major trade to have occurred, it sure is quiet around here. well it only goes to show that we need our own "trade" guy here, like derren is known as a draft guy and i'm sometimes confused as a news guy here any volunteers?
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Post by Ossric on Aug 3, 2005 3:13:23 GMT -5
Boy, for such a major trade to have occurred, it sure is quiet around here. Hey, sorry man, but i need my sleep just as much as the next guy ;D I like this deal: 1)we got something for nothing 2) with the trade ex. we can sign a player of approximately 6.8 million more than we send away to another team. We basically used half of the MLE on Scampi, now we get something back that is worth more than the MLE. OK, we don't land a player, but now we have the flexibility to do so. 3) Woods is a body that can be used in a s&t 4) Borchardt can be used as an extra body at the 5 position or used in a s&t 5)We can also choose to waive both Woods & Borchardt, someone else will then pay their salaries. 6) we land the rights to some Spanish guy & 2 second round picks. Always handy to use as trade smoothers. So we get all this without giving up anything? That's a pretty good deal if you ask me. Like they say on Celtigsblog.com: " Money for nothing & your picks for free
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 3, 2005 3:50:53 GMT -5
Mev, we can blame Freshnthehouse's B.O. for the board being so slow ;D
Q, you're going to have to sit back and enjoy the view for awhile. This trade won't look fantastic if you're looking for it to immediately improve the team. But in the long run, you'll see that this was the right move. Jefferson gets a boat load of minutes now, possibly even getting to remain in the game all the way to the end.
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Post by Jambr380 on Aug 3, 2005 7:43:17 GMT -5
This trade totally sucks. If we do not waive all of these players, then we are doing ourselves a major disservice. I know no one likes Antoine, especially as much as I do, but if we are literally going to get nothing, I would rather have gotten nothing. 2 more 2nd rnd picks?? do we really need more 2nd rnd picks?
And for the guy who called me an "ignoramous" for not automatically assuming any deal with Antoine would include Blount. Clearly Ainge wants a bunch of Greg Kite's, rather than a solid Robert Parish (or someone who is 10% as good as him).
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Post by esco33 on Aug 3, 2005 8:54:44 GMT -5
This deal is just a matter of either getting something or not getting anything at all. Walker was splitting to the Heat anyway. I will base my final decision on this trade after we use the TE. If we use it to sign a point guard like Dan Dickau, then it really is not a bad deal. We do pickup a couple of second rounders, and Borchardt will probably make the team as a backup center.
I am just hoping Ainge uses the TE to sign a point guard. There aren’t many left that are better than what we have. I’m hoping for Dickau. He had a mini breakout season last year, and had a game with 16 assists. He is a good up-tempo point guard that this team could use. After him, there really isn’t anybody other than Watson.
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Post by Ossric on Aug 3, 2005 9:22:26 GMT -5
And for the guy who called me an "ignoramous" for not automatically assuming any deal with Antoine would include Blonut. Clearly Ainge wants a bunch of Greg Kite's, rather than a solid Robert Parish (or someone who is 10% as good as him). Firstly, i said that you had to include Blonut in the Antonio Davis deal, i never said anything about possible other trades. Look it up... Secondly, i already apologized for that post, get over it... thirdly, how good are you in the foreign languages department?
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Post by eja117 on Aug 3, 2005 9:28:02 GMT -5
Here are the only players in the league that hurt their team one way or another more than Blount. Kobe Allan Houston Calvin booth Jerome James That's about it so yes Curtis is an upgrade over Blonut
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 3, 2005 10:40:35 GMT -5
Jambr, we all know that the success of this team lies in the hands of the young players. They are the ones with the talent, the work ethic, the energy, and the coachability to do the things on the court that Rivers wants them to do in order for us to be heading in the right direction.
We aren't going to start winning a lot of games immediately. But just wait for the 2007 season and you'll start to see the fruit of all the moves Ainge has been making.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 3, 2005 12:09:12 GMT -5
For all these guys that think Antoine was our best player and now we're going to be aweful, if you follow that logic to its natural conclusion I guess we should trade all our young guys for proven vets like Antoine right? So who would we get? Finley? Ilgauskas? Elton Brand? Latrell Sprewell? Don't be like New York fans and fail to accept rebuilding when you have to. Don't think of it as rebuilding. Think of it as investing. We are investing in our youth.
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Post by ferbo on Aug 3, 2005 13:15:46 GMT -5
1. AWs agent said he wanted a contract to go to the end of his career. DA was never going to give him that. I hoped he wouldn't get another offer like this, and DA oculd resign him for the MLE for a couple of years. Minute Miami made an offer, it was out the window.
I had thought that AW MIGHT sign a contract which could be moved in a couple of years as ?AJ comes on line.
2. Team will be less successful this year without him than with him.
3. The "assets" collected aren't overwhelming, but present some options. Seems to me that the additional seconds might go for overseas guys who aren't quite read to come over (I rememver that Cs would retain their rights).
4. Trade exception: could it be used by itself? For example, what about a sign and trade involving Dale Davis, in which the Cs give back the exception?
5. The success of the Cs for the near-term will depend on a number of the kids turning into solid role players (including some as starters) and a couple to start emerging as stars.
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 3, 2005 13:42:51 GMT -5
For all these guys that think Antoine was our best player and now we're going to be aweful, if you follow that logic to its natural conclusion I guess we should trade all our young guys for proven vets like Antoine right? So who would we get? Finley? Ilgauskas? Elton Brand? Latrell Sprewell? Don't be like New York fans and fail to accept rebuilding when you have to. Don't think of it as rebuilding. Think of it as investing. We are investing in our youth. Dude, I could not agree with this more. Its much much better doing things like this than to s&t Walker for Sprewell or something. Some celtics fans are impatient with winning. Don't get me wrong, winning is craved here but you just do not do it by trading all your young guys for old players. NY fans are the worst. They always have to win. Its killing them that they aren't. Once the yanks are losing, thats it. They'd kill themselves over it. With the exception of this board and some of the members seeing they don't all come from Boston, Boston fans are impatient people. I'm not though. I am for the betterment of the future.
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