This Antione Deal does nothing for me

[mev17]

I say wait and see how our players develop and what the best combinations among our players turn out to be. Then you will better know who you want to include in any trades and what players we may want would best fit our needs.

[DERRENMATTS]

Hey, I just learned something new. Thanks Mev. So moving Blount and his contract, along with the trade exemption may net us someone good who'd we normally would have no chance in getting because of the salary issue. We could go for a max player (or close to it) who has only a year or two left on his contract and it wouldn't hurt us.

[mev17]

But I had to modify my post, because you can't combine exceptions. So you can't use the trade exception plus the 25% rule:

"There are some common misconceptions about this exception. For one, teams cannot use this exception to sign free agents; it can be used only to acquire existing contracts from other teams. For another, teams cannot combine this exception with the 115% plus $100,000 margin from the assigned player exception in order to trade for a more expensive player. For example, while a $2 million player can be traded for a $2.4 million player using the assigned player exception, a team with a $1 million trade exception cannot combine the two together and trade their $2 million player for a $3.4 million player (see question number 71 for more information on combining exceptions)." members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#71

[mev17]

Here are some examples of how an exception can be used, from Larry Coon's website:

"Here is a more complicated example of a legal trade using the traded player exception: A team has a $4 million trade exception from an earlier trade, and a $10 million player it currently wants to trade. Another team has three players making $4 million, $5 million and $6 million, and the two teams want to do a three-for-one trade with these players. This is legal -- the $5 million and $6 million players together make less than the 115% plus $100,000 [based on the previous CBA -- now it would be 125%, mev17] allowed for the $10 million player ($11,600,000), and the $4 million player exactly fits within the $4 million trade exception. So the $4 million player actually completes the previous trade, leaving the two teams trading a $10 million player for a $5 million and a $6 million player."

"Teams can consume only part of a traded player exception, in which case they can still use the remainder in a future trade. For example, if a team trades a $4 million player for a $2 million player, they gain a $2.1 million trade exception. If they later trade a draft pick for a $1 million player, they still have $1.1 million remaining to acquire more players and complete the trade (until one year from the date of the original trade)."

members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#68

[DERRENMATTS]

Hmmm.... bit technical, but I seem to understand the jist of it.

Well, lets see how Ainge uses this exemption. He only has a window of a year to use it, and I know he's not going to let it just go down the drain.

[BCHISTORIAN]

The Trade Exception (FAQ)

What did we get?
We got $5M to use before August 2, 2006

Can we couple that with a player to get a player with a larger salary?
No. We cannot add the exception to Blount's contract ($5.5M) and get a player making $10,5 M. It just isn't allowed.

Can we combine this trade exception with another trade exception?
Again, no. Not allowed. The only way it works is if there are 2 players coming back that make $5M and whatever the other exception is.

Can you use just part of the exception? Say about $2M?
Yes. You can use part of it and keep the rest for later.

Can you use it to trade for a player making $6.25M (using the 125% rule)?
No. The 125% rule only applies to player for player trades.

Can we use this do complete a sign-and-trade with another team?
Yes. New Jersey did it this year to pick up SAR from Portland. Given the amount of the exception, this would be a good way to pick up a guy looking to sign for the MLE but wanting to get the extra year that only his current team can give him under the CBA.

Note: That last point is critical. Next year, we'll be able to offer MLE level guys more than any other team that doesn't have a trade exception.

My guess is that if we don't use this exception this year on a MLE player (and who's left really?), we'll save it to use next offseason. Perhaps we could pick up a player at the trade deadline, but it seems more realistic that it would happen in the offseason.

[meltinjohn]

This seems a little too confusing.

[eja117]

I hardly skimmed but if I understand right if we are trying to dump salary I don't see the point trading for the right to take on more salary

[Celtic17]

derrenmatts said:

I would not be opposed to bringing back Payton, if he's told up front that Delonte and the young PG's will get a lot of playing time. And he needs to know that running is going to be a key ingredient of our game. Plus he needs to come back cheap. If no other team wants him, he may be had for real cheap.

Please, say no to crack!
I would rather stick with our 3 young guys. They'll do fine.

[DERRENMATTS]

Its not really that confusing at all, guys. All it really comes down to is .......

let Danny Ainge do the thinking for us ;D

[Celtic17]

Hey.........
I was just kidding Derren.
But, I don't want negative Payton on the team.

[DERRENMATTS]

Yeah, he was slowing down the offense by constantly walking it up the floor. But whenever I watch the games I have on tape from last year, I can see how much pressure he took off our players just by being a sure handed ball handler. He wasn't going to turn the ball over much, and he's such a savvy veteran that he made things simpler for us.

But like I mentioned, he needs to be pre-warned that he must push the tempo a lot more and that he won't be playing as much. If he can accept these terms, and still come relatively cheap, then I say bring him back. He could, if there are no interest in him around the league. So far, no one's jumped up to grab him, while guys like Nick Van Exel and Damon Stoudemire are being picked up.

[Celtic17]

Call it a gut feeling. I believe he has a negative attitude at times. It might not show so much on the court. More so when he's on the bench. He will want more minutes or he won't be happy, imo. He might be best hanging his sneakers up.

edit-
Because he's a gamer. He wants to play.

[DERRENMATTS]

I agree. I think whenever he played "slow down basketball", it usually meant he was not feeling optimistic about our chances of winning the game. You can tell when his heart is into the game by how much spring he has in his step, and how much quicker he is moving around the court.

[Celtic17]

So----
Do you want him here - or not? lol