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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 16:47:09 GMT -5
OK, this is the latest regarding the Walker trade. The news all over the internet stems from Russillo's comments.
Walker goes to Miami, and we get the 5.5 million dollar exemption and 2 second rounders. There's some confusion as to which player(s) we'll be getting. There's Albert Miralles. Possibly Andre Emmit, maybe Antoine Wright. Qyntel Woods, if he comes here, is said to be a player we will cut and allow another team to sign.
Wild trade, and the final overview is uncertain. More to come as we hear it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 17:12:21 GMT -5
Still no clarification of the big trade.
Albert Miralles is going to remain in Spain. He's a 6'9" 240 lb'er. Don't know much about his game.
Andre Emmet is a clone of Isaiah/JR Rider. Not a guy I'm interested in. He's got a rowdy personality, comical yet rude. He's a tough SG, and he's got some flashy dunks in his repetoire. But like Rider, his dunks are only good in contests. Not the type to do much during games.
Antoine Wright. Well, where does he play. I'm more than happy with the crop of wing players we have--don't really feel we have a place for him.
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 2, 2005 17:15:12 GMT -5
Dorell Wright?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 17:18:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm scratching my head on that one. I read that he could be a guy on the move. But surprsingly, it said that we'd take Dorrel and then use some of the cash we'd be obtaining to release him.
It could be a misprint, where the writer meant Antoine Wright. If it is Dorrel Wright, I highly doubt Ainge is going to cut him (unless its part of the trade for him to be cut and go to another team).
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 17:22:13 GMT -5
OK, here's the latest. Earl Watson and Dorrel Wright come to Boston!!! Wow, this one I like. We get that vet PG who can play whenever Delonte and Banks get in trouble, and we get the wing player Ainge was drooling over in last year's draft.
How likely is this trade though? I guess we need to stay tuned in. Seems like this trade changes every few minutes. But so far, this is the one I'd settle with.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 17:24:17 GMT -5
Oh, also included in this deal is Marcus Banks. He and Eddie Jones will go to Memphis.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 17:31:36 GMT -5
So this no longer is a 6 team trade. Its just a 3 team trade, involving Miami, Memphis, and ourselves.
Now that Banks is out of the picture, it makes sense to bring in a vet PG. Delonte could still be the starter. Orien Greene will now get a lot more minutes at backup that he would not have received had Marcus Banks still been with the team.
As for Dorrel, he just gives us another player who could potential lessen the blow of losing Pierce. I really don't know his future projection because I only got to see a few clips of him in last year's draft. But if he has more upside than Tony Allen, Dorrel and Gerald could be our SG-SF starting combination and Tony Allen and Ricky Davis will be the super backup wingmen.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 17:34:30 GMT -5
Still waiting to hear if this deal is finalized. Might be too good to be true.
OK, I'm going to lunch. Hopefully there'll be something finalized when I get back.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 19:27:40 GMT -5
Well, apparently that Watson/Wright trade is not accurate.
Its back to the Albert Miralles trade. It now includes Qyntel Woods, Curtis Bordchardt, and the trade exemption.
Woods is going to be cut, Miralles is going to remain in Spain, and who knows what's going to happen with Bordchardt. He reminds me of Chris Mihm.
Oh well, I knew the Dorrel Wright trade was too good to be true.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 19:50:04 GMT -5
This is from Yahoo! sports:
MIAMI (AP) -- Antoine Walker, Jason Williams and James Posey could soon be coming to the Miami Heat in a proposed five-team trade that was nearing completion Tuesday, according to a lawyer and league official both familiar with terms of the complicated deal.
``Unless something strange happens, it's going to happen,'' said the lawyer, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Miami -- which signed Shaquille O'Neal to a $100 million, five-year deal earlier Tuesday -- would obtain Walker in a sign-and-trade from the Boston Celtics, then add Williams, Posey and rookie Andre Emmett from the Memphis Grizzlies in exchange for veteran swingman Eddie Jones.
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The trade -- which has been submitted to the league for approval -- was first reported by The Miami Herald. League and team officials generally do not openly discuss proposed trades until they become finalized.
Walker, Williams and Jones are the headliners in the proposed deal, one that also includes the aftereffects of a three-team deal agreed to earlier Tuesday by Sacramento, Memphis and Utah.
As part of the Walker deal, Boston would obtain Qyntel Woods, the rights to Spanish center Albert Miralles and the Heat's $1.9 million trade exception.
Walker, a three-time All-Star who averaged 19.1 points and nine rebounds last season for the Atlanta Hawks and Boston Celtics, would be a welcome addition to the Heat, said forward Udonis Haslem -- who formally signed his $30.7 million, five-year deal Tuesday.
``We're two different players and we can bring two different things to the table,'' Haslem said. ``If we put that together, we should have a pretty good tandem.''
The Celtics would get Borchardt from Memphis; Borchardt was part of Tuesday's earlier trade in which Sacramento acquired guard Bonzi Wells from Memphis for guard Bobby Jackson and center Greg Ostertag.
Memphis was then expected to send Ostertag to the Utah Jazz for guard Raul Lopez, forward Kirk Snyder and Borchardt. Snyder would be sent to New Orleans, along with the Heat's Rasual Butler, and Borchardt would head to Boston.
It's a deal that represents a major shakeup for Miami, which reached Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals this past season -- even though O'Neal and Dwyane Wade were both hurt at the time.
Jones, a career 16.4-point-per-game scorer, averaged 12.7 in the regular season and 13.7 in the playoffs as Miami's third option. Williams averaged 10.1 points and 5.6 assists for the Grizzlies last season.
``He's one of the best playmakers in the game,'' Haslem said of Williams.
Posey was limited to 50 games this past season because of injuries, and only 18 starts. He averaged 8.1 points and 4.4 rebounds.
I thought we were going to get the 5.5 million dollar exemption from Miami.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 19:59:51 GMT -5
Here's what Shira Springer from the Globe is reporting:
Celtics set to trade Walker to Miami in multi-team deal
Boston will get players, picks, breathing room in return
By Shira Springer, Globe Staff | August 2, 2005
The Celtics made sure they received something in return for free agent Antoine Walker, agreeing in principle to a sign-and-trade with Miami this afternoon. According to two Eastern Conference sources, Walker will receive $52 million over six years with a starting salary of approximately $6.75 million.
Although the details of the deal, which likely will also involve Utah, Memphis, and Sacramento, and 12 or more players, are still being finalized, the same sources said Boston would receive two second-round picks from Miami; the rights to Albert Morales, who currently plays for Valencia, Spain; a $5.4 million trade exception; Utah 7-footer Curtis Borchardt, and Miami wing player Qyntel Woods as well as cash considerations from Miami.
Other players trading places in the deal include the Grizzlies’ Jason Williams and James Posey heading to the Heat. Eddie Jones would move from Miami to Memphis. Greg Ostertag goes from Sacramento to Utah, while Bobby Jackson leaves Sacramento for Memphis. Kirk Snyder and Raul Lopez go from Utah to Memphis.
League approval of the deal could come as early as Wednesday. For the Celtics, the deal represented an opportunity to get coveted draft picks and a valued trade exception without assuming salary.
While Borchardt will compete for a job, don’t expect to see Woods in a Boston uniform. The Celtics have a glut of players at the wing position, plus past off-court problems make Woods a less-than-ideal fit for the organization. But Boston might not waive Woods immediately, preferring to see if it could throw him into another deal before the start of the season.
Both Borchardt and Woods are entering the final year or their respective contracts. And, in any event, the cash considerations the Celtics will receive should cover the salaries of Borchardt and Woods
At least she has the 5.4 million dollar exemption in there. This has to be the amount we're getting from Miami. And with the 2 second rounders and cash consideration, this is what Ainge was trying to get all along. He didn't want to add the same amount of salary back for Walker. He's going to release Woods if he can't trade him away first.
She says that Borchardt is going to compete for a spot on the roster. I guess it won't hurt to do that.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 20:13:29 GMT -5
Curtis Borchardt is a 7', 240 lb'er who is 25 yrs old. He was selected by the Magic in the 1st round (18th overall) in the 2002 draft, out of Stanford.
This is what NBADraft had to say about him in '02:
NBA Comparison: Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Strengths: Has a number of positive attributes that make him a very intriguing center prospect. Great size and very good agility. An excellent shot blocker and rebounder. Very soft touch in the post, and has range out to three point land. Could become a top 10 center in the NBA. Runs the floor fairly gracefully. Has a good understanding of the game and makes sound decisions.
Weaknesses: One of the knocks on Borchardt is that he is injury prone. His first few years at Stanford were injury riddled. But growing and gaining strength should help this. Needs a little more mental toughness. Can gain a lot of strength through weight training which will help him become more dominant in the post.
Notes: His feet are so big he looks like he's wearing clown shoes.
For his career, he's only averaging 3+ ppg and 3+ rpg in about 13 mpg. Appeared in 67 games last year.
Well, my question is; Can he be of more use than Mark Blount? I hope so, or else he is just wasting our time.
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Post by celtics4ever on Aug 2, 2005 20:38:17 GMT -5
Better than nothing. I think Ainge made the best of Walker leaving. Still we stay young and have flexibility. Bye Bye Wood.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2005 21:35:10 GMT -5
On the one hand, we could have let Walker just walk for nothing at all. On the other hand, we made out with a couple of second rounders and a 5+ million dollar trade exemption. Couple this with the trade exemption we got from PHO for Walter McCarty, and we can buy ourselves a 6 - 7 million dollar player without costing us anything.
At the very least, this move allows us some flexibility to manuever another deal.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 2, 2005 21:46:20 GMT -5
C4 said it best...we are getting something for Walker vs. just letting him go. Though, I am not to crazy on Borch.
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