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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 16, 2005 13:12:36 GMT -5
I don't see why Charlie can't be like Dirk actually. He needs a lot of work, but similar players. you may not agree but hey that's ok. I'm right
Well, for one thing, Charlie doesn't have the midrange game to be like Dirk. Dirk is an incredible outside shooter, but 80% of his damge comes between the 15 - 20 feet range. Charlie doesn't have this ability, especially since he doesn't have a pull up jumper. His game has some similarities, though.
As for Ryan Gomes, I do see the Pierce comparisons. They both are SF's who aren't high flyers in the mold of Shawn Marion or Scottie Pippen, etc. Gomes has less air time than Pierce. Both of them do their damage using their strength and by bumping guys and taking the bumps on their way to the hole.
I don't really mind tweeners, either. Its actually beneficial to have them because they can create mismatches in certain situations. Being versatile has its advantages.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Feb 16, 2005 14:14:46 GMT -5
derren how do you compare or rate marcus williams with all the other pg's in the draft? i assume chris paul is probably unattainable for us and felton is the ideal, but could willaims be the next best thing?
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Post by forevergreen on Feb 16, 2005 16:27:52 GMT -5
derren how do you compare or rate marcus williams with all the other pg's in the draft? i assume chris paul is probably unattainable for us and felton is the ideal, but could willaims be the next best thing? I'd like to know the answer to that myself BC. A star point guard will go a long way, just ask the phoenix suns. We really need to solidify the back court. Guards with great ball control and passing skills should be the priority. I'm tired of us not handling the backcourt press. It's embarrising. The best point guard the celts drafted in the last fifteen years became a journey man player and now an NBA Champion with the pistons. Billups needed close to six years and about as many teams to finally be where he is. On a different note, I know we'll probably not go after a center with our highest pick but is Andrew Bogut really the #1 center? How good is he really? What's his potential? Is there another player that is clearly superior in that position? |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 16, 2005 17:17:48 GMT -5
Question (BCHistorian): derren how do you compare or rate marcus williams with all the other pg's in the draft? i assume chris paul is probably unattainable for us and felton is the ideal, but could willaims be the next best thing?
I rank Marcus Williams behind the 3 Amigos (Felton, Paul, Jack) and ahead of other notable PG's like Chris Thomas (I'll talk more about this kid a little later), Karl Krauser, John Gilchrist, Chris Hernandez, and the others.
I consider Felton, Paul, and Jack the top tier PG's in college because I believe they have the most potential to be impact PG's in the draft. I place Marcus Williams, Deron Williams, and Dee Brown in the 2nd tier mainly because their potential impact is mot likely going to be higher than the top 3 PG's.
2 things that I want to note about Marcus Williams and why I'm not touting him along with the top 3--first off, he's not quick, and this hurts him on both ends of the floor. Secondly, he doesn't push the ball as much as Felton, Paul, and Jack. If he's going to be a part of the Celtics, I think constant pushing is going to be a pre-requisite for PG's. But I like Marcus a lot and think he's a terrific PG. Deron Williams may have better court vision (being able to scan the entire floor better) than Marcus. But Marcus has a better feel of making the right decision, and that's whats impresses me.
As for Chris Thomas--this guy was once touted as a high first rounder. But his stock has taken a dramatic fall for the worse, and now he's projected to go in the mid 2nd round. If we miss out on the top PG's and have a shot at him with a second round pick, I'd do it (assuming he's the best player to take at the spot). He may not be a great PG, but he's a fighter. He won't take a back seat for anyone, and this attitude can be beneficial for us with our second unit. He's a scoring PG, but he is better at finding open players than Banks is.
Question (ForeverGreen): On a different note, I know we'll probably not go after a center with our highest pick but is Andrew Bogut really the #1 center? How good is he really? What's his potential? Is there another player that is clearly superior in that position?
Yes, Andrew Bogut is the #1 Center in college, mainly because of his all around skills, but partially by default because he's one of the very few true Centers in the league. And by true Centers, I mean legit 7 footers who play in the post. Guys like Simien, Boone, May, etc. are actually PF's by trade. But Bogut is a real Center, if there ever was one.
On a side note--Australia is really producing some good basketball players. Bogut (who is actually originally from Sweden(?) is one of them. And then you have the beautiful Lauren Jackson of the WNBA Seattle Storms.
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Post by howl1309 on Feb 16, 2005 18:30:09 GMT -5
Derren- I wouldn't worry about Marcus' ability to push the ball. Uconn is not running as much this year because the team is so young. Next year you will see a ton more fastbreaking from them. Marcus will learn how to run a great fastbreak by the time he leaves, not this year, most likely next.
One play that shows me he can push the ball. last night on a semi break 3-2, he forced one defender to commit to him and he IMMEDIATELY found Hilton Armstrong for strong dunk attempt (armstrong was fouled).
Marcus can push the ball. His lack of speed is a concern, though. Plus he is not a vocal leader yet, he isn't really firey, yet.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 16, 2005 22:33:28 GMT -5
UCONN tries to run, though most teams (like UMASS for example) figure out they can't play the half-court game.
The only knock I have on Marcus Williams is that he is still learning the offense (the PG). I have seen half of UCONN's losses, all of them close, and usually the offense starts to sputter and they lose by 1-7 pts. Though, he is definitely my "surprise" colllege player of the season so far.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 17, 2005 2:49:06 GMT -5
UCONN stuggles in close games because they don't have a go-to guy. Last year, they could dump the ball off to Okafor or Gordon. This year, they have a bunch of young players who don't really know how to get it done. But this team will be scary if they stay intact for another few years and develop their games. Rudy Gay, Josh Boone, Charlie Villanueva, and Marcus Williams will be fantastic players if they develop their games a bit more.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Feb 17, 2005 5:52:17 GMT -5
On a side note--Australia is really producing some good basketball players. Bogut (who is actually originally from Sweden(?) is one of them.
not Sweden, Croatia is the correct answer. I don't think any swede has ever played in nba. basketball isn't such a popular sport over there. but Croatia - remember drazen petrovic for example?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 17, 2005 10:45:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction, BC. I knew he was European, but I just couldn't remember from where. Looking at his face, I'd say he looks more Swede than he does Croatian. He's just a "Swede"-hearted fellow ;D   I better not quit my day job  |
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Post by ferbo on Feb 18, 2005 13:41:24 GMT -5
Unless DA moves up at leats into the upper 10, I expect him to take another HS big kid.
He has to be feeling real good about those 2 choices. And whoever the people were who offered scouting opinions supporting them (I assume DA saw them both live).
I think he is going to feel pretty satisfied with the 2-3 slots. Further, I think qu ality players are easier to pick up there than elsewhere.
Unless DA is able to move up so that he can take one of the top 2 or 3 PGs, why bother? That would jsut give a younger version of West? And we'd be having the Banks/West dialogue all over again with another name being added.
Which leads me to ask: when is the last time anyone heard of Wallace or Papile?
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Post by ferbo on Feb 18, 2005 13:42:34 GMT -5
So far we haven't heard a peep out of the European scouting.
Of course, we haven't heard a peep out of the American scouting either.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Feb 18, 2005 13:55:44 GMT -5
due to the difference in playing schedule compared to that of the nba, euroleague has right now a couple of weeks silence after first round. top teams continue in the next round and the games are going to be televised more now. games begin on the 23rd of february. i'll be able to offer you some ideas as to who is who and who really is worth a look at the draft day.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Feb 19, 2005 4:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 19, 2005 5:53:06 GMT -5
BC, who have you been impressed with after seeing them with your own eyes?
What can you tell us about Tiago Splitter? They said that his defense is solid and improving and he's got a nice offensive package. Are the reports accurate?
I remember seeing a clip of Mikael Pietrus 2 years ago, and I thought that he was overhyped. But then I saw a Warriors game last week, and I was fairly impressed with his athleticism, his strength, and his dexterity. He's improved his game remarkably and I think he's got a chance to be a nice player.
I bring this up because this is what happens when people judge players by what they see in a clip, or when reading scouting reports and basing judgments on that.
I'd like to say that I want to go after Splitter, or Samardziski, or Petro, or whoever. But I haven't seen them play, so I'm going to refrain from saying anything. Still waiting for Ainge to draft his first European player. Wonder if it'll come in this draft? Maybe with one of our second round picks?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Feb 19, 2005 7:45:07 GMT -5
well, splitter was overhyped until this current season. but man, he's for real now, he has raised all aspects of his game and if he ends up in the lottery it's rightfully so.
i have seen only two games where petrovic, samardziski play and i have to say that peja is better of these two. i don't know where all us draft experts take that the guy doesn't have the vertical leap and his lateral quickness is bad. sure he's no josh smith but the guy has some serious upside. if danny was to draft a european center imo it should be samardziski.
i have seen petro play only once and since he didn't get much of playing time i was not impressed. weak man's dalembert i should say at this point and dalembert ain't exactly no shaq as well.
no information on vasquez, haven't seen him play.
i don't think there's any super wing player or a pg right now in europe we should draft
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