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Post by ferbo on Jun 10, 2005 11:43:08 GMT -5
"Ferbo, all those players were given up on when Gaston owned the team. And Pitino was the coach. Alot of these players look better than they are, because of the "team" structure they are on."
Bingo, RR:
Now, let's see: what franchise was it that developed "team basketball"? And sustained it through about 4 generations of players and countless coaches?
As it stands now, DA's only questionable personnel decision, IMHO, looks like swapping Songaila for the 2 which became Hunter.
I can live with that.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 10, 2005 23:19:06 GMT -5
Ferbo, though it pains me to think of the "pitino days" w/ the Celts, we must move on. We know he was a bad coach, but one of the most horrific GM's in modern times (Isiah was worst, but Pitino is close).
The Songalia move I believe was made out of spite, rather than the deal itself. I can live w/ that move as well/
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Post by ferbo on Jun 11, 2005 12:49:31 GMT -5
Glad to move on. But would prefer not to make the mistake of letting some very good talent go through lack of patience and coaching.
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Post by ferbo on Jun 11, 2005 13:09:59 GMT -5
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 11, 2005 14:48:44 GMT -5
Ferbo, I agree. Though, from a fan's perspective, I didn't see the potential in some of those players, like Wallace. Then again, we didn't get to see him in live NBA games.
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Post by ferbo on Jun 11, 2005 18:13:59 GMT -5
Understand.
But they found people like Blount and Bowen in summer league. Not sure why Wallace didn't catch their eye.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 11, 2005 21:03:01 GMT -5
Understand. But they found people like Blonut and Bowen in summer league. Not sure why Wallace didn't catch their eye. Shoot, I wished they didn't find Blount  A reason why teams passed up on Ben Wallace is because he had (has) no offense. Teams, when viewing a borderline player (which Wallace was when he was passing through Boston and Orlando, and maybe some other team) look to see what the player has to offer. In Ben Wallace's case, he was a shorter big man who had raw skills on defense and no real offensive game. The potential was there to be a defensive presence and a rebounding machine, but I guess teams felt that they could better make use of his roster spot. This is just my guess. I also feel that Brandon Hunter will one day find a home and be a real good player. I just watched a Celtics game from 2 years ago when John Carroll was the coach. It was a game vs. the 76'ers and Hunter was in the starting lineup and doing well. He has such a solid and wide body and such amazing strength that guys like Donyell Marshall, even with the height advantage and longer reach, just couldn't get over him to pull down the rebounds. The ball looked small in his hands. And he was an active rebounder too. Not only was he very strong, but he was very quick and agile. Man, I thought very highly of this kid. If there's any reason why we had let him go (and subsequently why the Bobcats also let him go also), I think its because of his personality. He's got a cocky attitude, mixed in with a very bullyish attitude and I don't think it meshed well with his teammates. That's the impression I got from watching him play. |
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Post by ferbo on Jun 12, 2005 12:19:12 GMT -5
What I never understood was why Caroll pulled Hunter for McCarty. Hunter was put in the lineup and his stats looked very promising. Then BOOM!!! Its over.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2005 16:41:21 GMT -5
Makes you wonder, Ferbo. I mean, Hunter, as a rookie in the starting lineup pulled down 16 rebounds in one game. And he was overpowering opponents too. Teams had to alter their game plan against us because of Hunter (which is why I think Blount was able to put up that amazing 28 pt, 20 reb game).
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Post by ferbo on Jun 12, 2005 21:20:00 GMT -5
South Florida paper reports this:
For example, it could apply a portion of what should be a $5.5 million exception on a free-agent power forward such as Donyell Marshall, Othella Harrington or Kwame Brown and the remaining share on a point guard such as Antonio Daniels, Earl Watson or Tyronn Lue.
As I read it, this speculates that only a part of the $5.5 would be needed for Daniels? Whom some ofyou are interested in?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2005 23:47:08 GMT -5
Daniels is a good player to have on the roster because he adds excellent depth. He's a guy who can run the point or move over to the SG spot. An athletic guy who can really motor.
He could be the veteran type of guy Ainge is seeking.
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Post by ferbo on Jun 13, 2005 12:57:26 GMT -5
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Post by ferbo on Jun 13, 2005 20:18:22 GMT -5
If the speculation by that Florida paper is anywhere near correct, then Daniels could be had for---what---$3 million?
He is---what---about 5-6 years? Was he a college guy or HS? For some reason I think of him as being about same age as Davis.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 13, 2005 20:23:09 GMT -5
Antonio Daniels seems like he's been around forever. I mean, I remember when he was a young pup playing for the Spurs.
He came from Bowling Green University in '97. He'll be in the league for 10 years this coming season. Hard to believe but he's already 30 years old.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 14, 2005 17:03:30 GMT -5
If I told you there was a guy out there who dominated the ACC for 4 years and was the player of the year you'd say he was a lottery pick right?
Then why the heck is Julius Hodge a second rounder on NBAdraft.net?
I mean besides the fact that GMs draft guys named Doody (that is how Stern pronounced Ndudi Ebi which was the funniest draft moment ever) because they have potential. Potential of course just means that you aren't good now and might never be good.
For no good reason that's why. This guy is the next Boozer or Duhon in the 2nd round. It is karmically the right pick. I know college ball isn't as good now, but neither is the draft. Draftnet says he is weak and doesn't get off the floor. i don't remember Reggie Miller being jacked or flying. Of course he had a deep ball and apparently Julius doesn't but that's not the point. It's a matter of principal. The highest I've seen him rated is low first round.
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