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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Apr 30, 2005 9:38:53 GMT -5
i'm pretty sure he will strike gold anyway. there's just too many good players available this year
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 19, 2005 2:31:16 GMT -5
Here's a list NBADraft.net compiled of the ranking of players in their respected positions: www.nbadraft.net/2005positional.aspI don't agree that Deron Williams is the top PG in the draft. |
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Post by Roadrunner on May 19, 2005 21:50:23 GMT -5
BC, I agree there are alot of good players in this draft. Not a "can't miss" draft, but the deepest draft I have seen in recent years.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 20, 2005 3:28:56 GMT -5
Ainge said that there's a good chance that a good player could drop to 18. I agree. I can't wait to see who we can steal this year.
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Post by ferbo on May 24, 2005 12:59:02 GMT -5
NBADraftCity or whatever now has Boston projected to get Warrick at 18.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2005 20:49:14 GMT -5
Need a mock draft thread.
Here is my mock draft (05/24 edition):
1. Bucks - Andrew Bogut C
2. Hawks - Chris Paul PG
3. Blazers - Marvin Williams SF
4. Hornets - Gerald Green SG/SF
5. Bobcats - Raymond Felton PG
6. Jazz - Derron Williams PG
7. Raptors - Jarett Jack PG
8. Knicks - Chris Taft PF/C
9. Warriors -Tiago Splitter FC
10. Lakers- Franz Vasquez FC
11. Magic- Hakim Warrick SF/PF
12. Clippers- Antoine Wright SG
13. Bobcats- Danny Granger SF
14. Wolves- Martell Webster SG/SF
15. Nets- Wayne Simen PF
16. Raptors- Charlie Villenueva SF/PF
17. Pacers - Franciso Gracia SG
18. Celtics - Andray Blatche PF/C
19. Memphis - Joey Graham SF
20. Nuggets - Rudy Fernandez SG
21. Suns - Roko Ukic PG
22. Nuggets - Monta Ellis PG/SG
23. Kings - Rashad McCants SG
24. Rockets - Ike Diogu PF
25. Sonics - Ronny Turiaf PF
26. Pistons - Angelo Gigli PF
27. Utah - Channing Frye C
28. Spurs - Ryan Gomes SF/PF
29. Heat - Louis Williams PG
30. Knicks - Julius Hodge SG
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 24, 2005 20:55:10 GMT -5
I'm going to start a thread for our Celtics Green Mock draft challenge on May 28th, giving us exactly 1 month before the actual draft.
Warrick is not the guy I'm hoping for with the 18th pick. I hope that mock is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2005 21:11:33 GMT -5
NBADraftCity or whatever now has Boston projected to get Warrick at 18. Someone will take a chance on him. I wouldn't be surprise if he taken borderline lottery. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 24, 2005 21:20:55 GMT -5
I'm almost certain that if he's there at 18, Ainge is going to pass on him. Based on what I know of Ainge, Warrick is not the type of player he's going after. He can't dribble, he's not good at creating his own offense, he's not a three point shooter, and his basketball IQ seems limited. He's an athlete, but he's an undersized 4 and an unskilled 3.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 24, 2005 22:54:21 GMT -5
Like I said before, Warrick's game is based on his point guard. He didn't demonstrate he can create his own shot.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 25, 2005 1:16:39 GMT -5
When Warrick has scoring opportunities (with the ball in his hands and with time on the shot clock), he doesn't look good. He basically tries to work his way down into the paint, but with his size and lack of weight, he won't be able to post up much against NBA SF's, and especially not against PF's. He's effective when he receives the ball in the post, where he can utilize his fallaway jumper or work his way in for a quick jam. But again, in the NBA, he'll be facing quick SF's and stronger PF's.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2005 13:07:20 GMT -5
Anyone we take at the 18th pick I expect it to be a project player. Warrick isn't a bad pick especially if he has the most potential out of the guys left on the board. I don't know what you're looking at the 18th pick but if Warrick is there Ainge is going have to take a long look at him. But, I think in the end Ainge will take a HSer or a young foreigner who going to help us down the road.
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Post by eddietours on May 25, 2005 18:19:41 GMT -5
maybe we should try to trade for robert swift i think the kid has a future with us.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 25, 2005 20:19:14 GMT -5
You can still find good players at 18. Remember, we took Jefferson at 15 last year.
If we are looking to take a chance on a player with the 18th pick, that player should have a high ceiling. Warrick's ceiling is not high at all. He's a 4 year collegiate who has not developed his SF skills during his stint at Syracuse. GM's and scouts nowadays don't care for undersized 4's. Just as an example, Mike Sweetney is a terrific talent, but many sour on him because he's only 6'8". Same with guys like Ike Diogu and Wayne Simien. They lack the ideal height to be a PF in the NBA. Now imagine Hakim Warrick, who's the same height as Sweetney, but is much lighter and weaker. You can compare him to Shawn Marion, who's also an undersized PF for Phoenix (both are the same height and roughly the same weight and build). But Marion is a lot more skilled with his perimeter game and his dribbling is much better than Warrick's, giving him an advantage over bigger PF's. Plus Marion is a true SF. Warrick isn't.
I'm not saying Warrick is an awful player. I'm pretty sure he'll have more usefulness than Walter McCarty. But I don't want to use the 18th pick on someone whose ceiling is rather limited when there are a lot of europeans, college underclassmen, and high schoolers who could be much better than he is. If he's there in the second round, I'd take a gamble on him.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 28, 2005 8:58:01 GMT -5
I am thinking if Granger, Charlie V, Graham, or May is not available at 18, then Ainge will go high school w/ Webster, Blatche, maybe Ellis or go foreign w/ Fernandez or Ukic. Guess that kind of covers all the bases, ;D
In regards to high school, and foreign players, basically comes down to how good your team scouts, and the how much you want to gamble? Obviously, San Antonio scouts know what they are doing by picking foreigners at the bottom of the draft, like Gniboli (spelling?), Parker, and the rook (begins w/ a U) this year. Other teams, gambled hard like Minne w/ Garnett and Toronto w/ McGrady.
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