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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 16, 2007 20:48:14 GMT -5
The Celtics can't take on another large contract this season, unless its a C. If the Celtics took on AKs contract, the salary cap would be tied up for years to come.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 17, 2007 1:04:49 GMT -5
Big Baby Davis, in my estimation, is 6'8". For him to really make the most of his career, he needs to use his power and strength to his advantage. Like Antoine, Big Baby can get himself in trouble by trying to be too cute with his dribbling and quick feet for a big man. He's got to minimize this and play like a brute inside the paint. He ain't got to pull down 10 boards a game. But he needs to use his strong body to push guys out of the paint so that his teammates can get their hands on rebounds.
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Post by clem on Jul 17, 2007 16:40:46 GMT -5
A lot of people are putting a lot of stock on a undersized pf who has a history of weight problems.Before Oliver Miller there was a player named John Williams who played with Washington.He was a excellent passer,Nice offensive game,Outstanding ballhandler.Just a great all round game.Problem was the more weight he put on the more often he got injured.There have been a number of other players who have had weight problems and they also had injury problems due to there weight.If history is any indication of how Davis's career will be if he has a good rookie season don't tempt NBA logic(it is a game for the most physically fit).Trade him.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 17, 2007 17:22:01 GMT -5
His weight needs to be kept in check, for certain. But seeing his enormous transformation from his high school days till now, I am fairly confident that he will be able to keep his weight in check.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 17, 2007 21:56:46 GMT -5
If the team didn't have Clifford Ray, I would think otherwise. Maybe the steal of the second round.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 7:55:45 GMT -5
A lot of people are putting a lot of stock on a undersized pf who has a history of weight problems.Before Oliver Miller there was a player named John Williams who played with Washington.He was a excellent passer,Nice offensive game,Outstanding ballhandler.Just a great all round game.Problem was the more weight he put on the more often he got injured.There have been a number of other players who have had weight problems and they also had injury problems due to there weight.If history is any indication of how Davis's career will be if he has a good rookie season don't tempt NBA logic(it is a game for the most physically fit).Trade him. I wouldn't stereotype Glen Davis of the likes of Oliver Miller or John Williams. They had bad work ethic period. Davis on the other hand, is very chisel athlete who should probably should be a D-Lineman in the NFL.. I'm not worried about his weight at all especially the type of trainers athletes get these days could easily get him down to 260 range. Besides, last time i checked he was mostly muscle not fat. He basically needs to do more cardio than lifting all the time. I think if he lost some weight and a little muscle , his shot wouldn't look stiff like I see now (line-drive). BTW, the difference between 6'8" to 6'11" is 3 inches... If he can't overcome that then he shouldn't be playing any significant minutes in the NBA. I think the arguement shouldn't have anything to do with his playing ability. Now, if he had a short-wing span then it is something to worry about. Other than that, we're talking a couple inches people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 8:41:08 GMT -5
Actually a couple of inchs of height are not critical. A strong man with a big arse and the desire to do the job will outrebound the typical NBA anorexit type all day every day. Peeps always talk about Barkley, and they should, but before him there was a guy named Wayne Embry who was too short at ?? 6'7" to play center but did and was a all-star at the position. He also tipped the scales in the 285 range.
One of the absolutely great rebounders was Larry Bird. His numbers were'nt always the greatest for several reasons. One is, he usually sat out the fourth quarter because the Celts already had the game won. But a major reason, and never spoken of, was that he didnt get the 'freebie' rebounds. When the other team was shooting free throws, he was back at the other end of the court, so didnt get that one or two uncontested rebounds per game off missed free throws. If you at Bird's rebounds in the BIG games, where he played most of it, it was not uncommon for him to get 20. Again , without the freebies. Bird was not the biggest guy out there and certainly not the most athletic, but he KNEW what he was doing and how to use his arse - grin.
The point of this is: Davis has got the weight, apparently the desire, certainly the beef and the big arse. I think he will be a very decent rotation center. As far as defense goes, usually its the little guys who have to be defended against penetrating for cheap baskets, not the big guys.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 18, 2007 11:18:43 GMT -5
So what you are saying is I should eat this second donut
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 18, 2007 12:14:15 GMT -5
Actually a couple of inchs of height are not critical. A strong man with a big arse and the desire to do the job will outrebound the typical NBA anorexit type all day every day. Peeps always talk about Barkley, and they should, but before him there was a guy named Wayne Embry who was too short at ?? 6'7" to play center but did and was a all-star at the position. He also tipped the scales in the 285 range. One of the absolutely great rebounders was Larry Bird. His numbers were'nt always the greatest for several reasons. One is, he usually sat out the fourth quarter because the Celts already had the game won. But a major reason, and never spoken of, was that he didnt get the 'freebie' rebounds. When the other team was shooting free throws, he was back at the other end of the court, so didnt get that one or two uncontested rebounds per game off missed free throws. If you at Bird's rebounds in the BIG games, where he played most of it, it was not uncommon for him to get 20. Again , without the freebies. Bird was not the biggest guy out there and certainly not the most athletic, but he KNEW what he was doing and how to use his arse - grin. The point of this is: Davis has got the weight, apparently the desire, certainly the beef and the big arse. I think he will be a very decent rotation center. As far as defense goes, usually its the little guys who have to be defended against penetrating for cheap baskets, not the big guys. Wilt First of all, welcome to the board wiltc! Looking forward to talking Celtics with you. These are my thoughts exactly! defense and rebounding are 95% desire and hard work. I wrote an article on Loy's Place (Celtics Green's Blog) about this very thing. celticsgreen.blogspot.com/2007/07/undersized-not-necessarily.html I think you would enjoy it since you think a lot like I do on this. Bird was a great positional rebounder. He watched the trajectory of the ball and instinctively went to where the rebound was. Bill Russell said that most rebounds are taken below the rim and a smart player who works hard and wants the rebound more will be able to get it. Especially a player like Powe and Davis with the size to block out. |
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 19, 2007 2:30:52 GMT -5
Actually a couple of inchs of height are not critical. A strong man with a big arse and the desire to do the job will outrebound the typical NBA anorexit type all day every day. Peeps always talk about Barkley, and they should, but before him there was a guy named Wayne Embry who was too short at ?? 6'7" to play center but did and was a all-star at the position. He also tipped the scales in the 285 range. One of the absolutely great rebounders was Larry Bird. His numbers were'nt always the greatest for several reasons. One is, he usually sat out the fourth quarter because the Celts already had the game won. But a major reason, and never spoken of, was that he didnt get the 'freebie' rebounds. When the other team was shooting free throws, he was back at the other end of the court, so didnt get that one or two uncontested rebounds per game off missed free throws. If you at Bird's rebounds in the BIG games, where he played most of it, it was not uncommon for him to get 20. Again , without the freebies. Bird was not the biggest guy out there and certainly not the most athletic, but he KNEW what he was doing and how to use his arse - grin. The point of this is: Davis has got the weight, apparently the desire, certainly the beef and the big arse. I think he will be a very decent rotation center. As far as defense goes, usually its the little guys who have to be defended against penetrating for cheap baskets, not the big guys. Wilt very good post! ideas as these are more than welcome |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2007 9:51:48 GMT -5
Actually a couple of inchs of height are not critical. A strong man with a big arse and the desire to do the job will outrebound the typical NBA anorexit type all day every day. Peeps always talk about Barkley, and they should, but before him there was a guy named Wayne Embry who was too short at ?? 6'7" to play center but did and was a all-star at the position. He also tipped the scales in the 285 range. One of the absolutely great rebounders was Larry Bird. His numbers were'nt always the greatest for several reasons. One is, he usually sat out the fourth quarter because the Celts already had the game won. But a major reason, and never spoken of, was that he didnt get the 'freebie' rebounds. When the other team was shooting free throws, he was back at the other end of the court, so didnt get that one or two uncontested rebounds per game off missed free throws. If you at Bird's rebounds in the BIG games, where he played most of it, it was not uncommon for him to get 20. Again , without the freebies. Bird was not the biggest guy out there and certainly not the most athletic, but he KNEW what he was doing and how to use his arse - grin. The point of this is: Davis has got the weight, apparently the desire, certainly the beef and the big arse. I think he will be a very decent rotation center. As far as defense goes, usually its the little guys who have to be defended against penetrating for cheap baskets, not the big guys. Wilt Great post! People really do overrate height big-time when comparing to defense/rebounding. Its about creating space between you and the opposing player. Once you have that establish, its all about who wants it MORE. Rebounding is all about WILL and strength. That's why players who hustle are usually better rebounders than guys who use height to rebound. I'm 6'3" - 4" and I can rebound just as good as someone who has 3-5 inches over me. Not becuz i'm an athletic freak but i know how to use my frame and strength to rebound affectively. BTW, I know it has nothing to do with the NBA lolbut, hey I can tell ya from first hand that height isn't a main issue when it comes to rebounding. |
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Post by eja117 on Jul 19, 2007 9:58:28 GMT -5
I'm like 5 ft 7 and I noticed after a few simple throwing the ball off the boards and catching and shooting I became waaaayyyyy better at rebounding. Timing made a huge difference.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 19, 2007 22:53:30 GMT -5
Heighth certainly is a factor in defense, all t hings being equal. Rise, wing span, etc., are variables.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 20, 2007 18:06:00 GMT -5
On Davis: As a long-time person considered by all to be greatly overweight, I am impressed with Davis cutting his weight from 350 to 290. That's a LOT of will power. I hadn't paid any real attention to him, and thought he was a blimp. But after reading more about him, I can't understand why DA took the guard before him. He will have the bulk to go up against most NBA centers.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 20, 2007 21:35:34 GMT -5
Actually a couple of inchs of height are not critical. A strong man with a big arse and the desire to do the job will outrebound the typical NBA anorexit type all day every day. Peeps always talk about Barkley, and they should, but before him there was a guy named Wayne Embry who was too short at ?? 6'7" to play center but did and was a all-star at the position. He also tipped the scales in the 285 range. One of the absolutely great rebounders was Larry Bird. His numbers were'nt always the greatest for several reasons. One is, he usually sat out the fourth quarter because the Celts already had the game won. But a major reason, and never spoken of, was that he didnt get the 'freebie' rebounds. When the other team was shooting free throws, he was back at the other end of the court, so didnt get that one or two uncontested rebounds per game off missed free throws. If you at Bird's rebounds in the BIG games, where he played most of it, it was not uncommon for him to get 20. Again , without the freebies. Bird was not the biggest guy out there and certainly not the most athletic, but he KNEW what he was doing and how to use his arse - grin. The point of this is: Davis has got the weight, apparently the desire, certainly the beef and the big arse. I think he will be a very decent rotation center. As far as defense goes, usually its the little guys who have to be defended against penetrating for cheap baskets, not the big guys. Wilt Wilt, great post. Way to start off your career w/ CG.  |
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