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Post by esco33 on Dec 10, 2006 10:26:57 GMT -5
In the Boston papers, it says that there is a 4 for 1 deal possibly being proposed. Theo, Telfair, West, and Big Al for Ivey. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Danny, do NOT do this deal. That is WAY too much to give up. I have predicted for the last 3 years now that THIS year (ask Derren) would be Big Al's breakout year, and mark my words it will be. I just hope it is in a Celts uni though. I would actually like to hold onto Telfair too. If Rondo could shoot the ball, it wouldn't be as bad to lose Bassy, but right now he is our most explosive point guard on the offensive end. True Ivey would replace that but Bassy is more of a true point. Ivey needs to shoot to be productive. Bassy would be fine passing all day long. We all know what Delonte can do out there. I don't see Iverson meshing well with Pierce at all. It's all about chemistry. I agree we need to do something, but Billups, Joe Johnson are names that haunt me every time I turn on ESPNEWS. Green can be better than Joe Johnson, and Al could be the next Jermaine. Danny...if you can hear me, listen to me. Do NOT trade for Iverson, at least with that package. Theo, fine. Wally fine. Tony Allen fine. 1 first round pick fine, but that's about it. Maybe Telfair, if we can keep Rondo and West, but I'm not even sure about that. DON'T TRADE THE YOUNG GUYS! JUST GET A COACH THAT SETS AN ACTUAL ROTATION, FEEDS THE BALL TO AL DOWN LOW, PROMOTES AN INSIDE-OUTSIDE GAME, PROMOTES DEFENSE, AND GIVES THE BALL TO TELFAIR AND RONDO TO RUN THE SHOW. (sorry for the caps....)
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Post by eja117 on Dec 10, 2006 11:11:52 GMT -5
If it were actually that trade I think we'd have to wait and see. A team with AI, Wally, and PP would have to play GG, Rondo, Perk, Gomes, and Powe. Oh did I say Powe. I meant Scala. But that is a very pick your poison team. Assuming PP and AI don't shoot their guns at each other. Or unite to call a hit on Wally, cause he took an open shot instead of passing to them. It could be fun to see AI play with other good players for a change. On the wings it is injury proof. Sort of. This surprises me that DA is suddenly going the vet route. If we gave up those guys I always hoped it would be for KG. Or even JON.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Dec 10, 2006 11:41:02 GMT -5
replace al with ryan and i'm very ok with the trade. we can't develop all the young guns at the same time anyway
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Post by cfoo on Dec 10, 2006 12:17:52 GMT -5
I'm with Esco that I think we need to go away from this direction and go in more of a team direction with the young players mixed in with solid team players. I like AI and all, and I think for Telfair, RAtliff, West, Gomes isn't a ton to give up but I still don't think we should go that direction.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Dec 10, 2006 12:25:05 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of giving up Al Jefferson one bit. Put in Scalabrine's name in place of Al Jefferson and with our top 3 lotto protected pick, Philly has themselves a deal.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Dec 10, 2006 12:26:37 GMT -5
I hate like heck to give up Delonte West but Philly needs to get back something for Iverson so sending them West for Iverson makes sense.
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Post by cfoo on Dec 10, 2006 12:34:18 GMT -5
this was on yahoo so it sounds pretty concrete that boston is offering a deal
Dec 9 As expected, Boston is in the mix to acquire Iverson, the Boston Herald reports. Recommendation: It is not known what Philly would want in return, what is known, however, is the Celts had spoken to Philadelphia management about what they had to offer for Iverson. The fact the talks had slowed, some in the league believed the 76ers have another deal in the works, but word is the Celtics are willing to discuss a number of different packages. Boston believed they were close to a deal for Iverson this past summer, but the best of those scenarios included Utah, which now has the best record in the NBA and would likely be loath to upset what it has going.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 10, 2006 13:07:51 GMT -5
I could get on board with this trade very quickly if Scala and Theo go. I mean think of it this way. We have four potentially very very good young guys. GG, Rondo, Telfair, and Al.
We have a few very solid good but not great guys. Perk, Gomes, West
We have a few not so sure how good they can be but almost certainly won't be star guys in Ray, TA, and Powe.
Then we have problems. Theo (by virtue of money) and Scala
And some vets that most teams would be ok with having (Wally, PP)
So we send one potental star young guy (they'd probably want a big, which means Al) One solid young guy (If they get Al they won't want Perk or Gomes. That leaves them with West cause they gotta have SOMETHING to show for AI) They have to take Theo to make money work.
Now what. If we can get them to take Scala and not a draft pick, and we can get something back like a draft pick or a young guy with pword like Shavlik Randolph or Louis Williams, especially if it's for cheap like for Kandi or Ray then we'd totally be in business.
I mean look at it
AL Scala West or Telfair Theo Ray
Ai Louis Williams future first rounder like we did with Minnesota.
We totally win that. By virtue of the fact we kept Rondo and GG and got back a 1rst. Getting rid of Scala would be like getting rid of Lafrentz. It would force Doc to use Perk and Powe. It also makes room for GG.
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Post by cfoo on Dec 10, 2006 13:13:23 GMT -5
I see what you are saying eja, but it still depends on how good Al can be. To be honest I'm not that big on Al, but I do think he can potentially be very good. And if he is would you take a 20 and 10 PF for the next 10-15 years or AI for a few. I also think the potential of bringing AI here could shut out guys like Green even moreso although you are right that it would open up more PT.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 10, 2006 14:33:05 GMT -5
Well i guess it depends on how you look at it. nobody has a crystal ball. But I don't think AL is likely to be an all star. I just don't. Not with Doc anyway. I think he could be a 17-9 guy. That's good but not great. I'm kinda going by the nbadraft.net way of thinking. I just don't think AL will even be a bronze medal guy. PP isn't and I don't think Al will do that. I also think if we gave Gomes a lot of playing time he could maybe be a 13-7 guy and Perk could be a 7-11 guy and Powe could be like that too, plus we still have future draft picks. I am glad you raised the question cause I think our draft situation would be dictated by this. We might start looking at guys like Horford more than Noah if this kind of thing happened. I think the whole outlook of the team goes from this
06-07 Severe growing pains/pray for Oden 07-08 More growing pains with Brandan Wright 08-09 make the playoffs as an 8 seed 09-10 PP on last legs. Wally out. Rondo and GG getting better. Team still makes playoffs and goes to second round 10-11 PP leaves. Team gets worse 11-12 Team gets significantly better 12-13 Team has a shot 13-14 Team takes shot. Runs into Oden in the championships. gets killed. Becomes the newest Kings from the 90s for another year
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06-07 evey team has to hold its breath when they play us 07-08 Take a shot 08-09 Take a last shot 09-10 Finally GG and Rondo are pretty good. With Gomes and Horford we make a soft landing. Make a trade. PP goes to a contender.Reload. 10-11 GG and Rondo are really good. Gomes, and Horford help out. 11-12 Take another shot.
I just want Scala off this team and am getting impatient waiting for these young guys. I want to see the team with a gold medal player.
I am against the trade. I want a shot at Oden. But I also have to look at in what situation we win in a trade and what situation we lose. if we ship out Scala, Theo and pword for Iverson and something useful I think we win. I don't trust pword. i really don't. I really thin JON and TMac are the ONLY examples of high schoolers that took a while to get good and are completely different cases than the players we have now. I think Trajan Langdon and kedrick Brown both ended up in the same place, but i think Langdon was the better pick. And I think Battier was a better pick than Curry or Chandler. And I think Jameer Nelson was the better pick over Telfair. I think unless it is a top 3 pick like Oden. Howard, or Lebron pword is a pipe dream.
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Post by cfoo on Dec 10, 2006 16:45:03 GMT -5
Kedrick was a JUCO player... where is kedrick now btw?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2006 18:08:31 GMT -5
I don't want to give up on Al. We have no other front-court player with his skill sets. Pierce-Green-AI would be a deadly tandem compare to the Nets big 3. We need big man who can defend and block shits and if Al is gone, we have no one who can do that. I don't know whats available on the market but i can't imagine anything good is around.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 10, 2006 18:25:08 GMT -5
Kedrick is probably hanging out with that other busload of pword players that never made it like William Avery and Tschitzavilli and Leon Smith and Jonathan Bender and Qyntel Woods and Frederick Weis. Unproven pword guys come in all shapes and forms and get drafted all over the first round, and then people are always shocked when the proven 2nd rounders kick them out of the league like the Boozers, and Gomes, Redds and Arenases.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 10, 2006 19:30:22 GMT -5
Philly has basically shot themselves in the foot by coming out and telling the world that Iverson is no longer going to be playing for them. Right there, they lost any leverage they were hoping for. If Danny is serious about getting Iverson (and I hope he's not), he's gotta low ball them and tell them to take it or leave it.
He must not give up Jefferson or Green (yes, Esco has persistently verbalized to me that Jefferson will break out in Year 3). I may be one of the few people in this world who thinks we are just scratching the tip of the iceberg with Telfair, so of course I would like to hold onto him as well. And of course, the same goes for Rajon, who is a jump shot away from being an All-Star. I think Gomes, West and Perkins are in the second tier of players to hold onto. They are definitely nice players and if we can hold onto them, all the better.
All in all, its better to just stay away from Iverson and keep all of our young guys.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 10, 2006 21:13:05 GMT -5
if I were Philly and people offered me junk I'd do the same thing as in fantasy ball. I'd just hold onto him and bench him. Then I'd look forward to Oden in the draft. Next thing you know maybe AI wants to behave and I'm looking at trying to win a championship with AI,Oden, and Iguodala. Or I try to trade AI for something really good. Like I call Miami and say "AI, Iguodala, Carney and a 2nd for D Wade and Dorell Wright?"
Minnesotta will probably offer Foye and Ricky Davis. We can't beat that by offering TA and Wally. Dallas might put Devin Harris on the table. We can't beat that with D West and maybe not even Telfair.
Personally I want to take my chances with Oden and if that doesn't work renew the KG thing, and then maybe AI. But if we could trade away two big contracts and Telfair (we won't need him with Ai) and maybe get back something as well it would be a coup.
I'm serious. If we wake up tomorrow and it's Scala, Theo, Telfair, West and that future Minn 1rst for Ai and a 2nd we should be very happy. A big reason would be more mins for AL, GG, Powem and Rondo.
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