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Post by jrmzt on Jun 23, 2021 15:10:18 GMT -5
Indiana could easily get a 1st rounder + Kuzma from someone like the Lakers as they'll be desperate for a PG and Schroeder is out of their price range. We'd have to up our offer significantly I think? But yes I like the idea of Brogdon too.
I'm hearing that the Cavs might soon have too many PGs? Garland, Sexton and now another top 3 pick which may potentially be a guard once Cunningham and Mobley go to the Pistons and Rockets.
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Post by jhvos7979 on Jun 24, 2021 7:50:47 GMT -5
Indiana could easily get a 1st rounder + Kuzma from someone like the Lakers as they'll be desperate for a PG and Schroeder is out of their price range. We'd have to up our offer significantly I think? But yes I like the idea of Brogdon too. I'm hearing that the Cavs might soon have too many PGs? Garland, Sexton and now another top 3 pick which may potentially be a guard once Cunningham and Mobley go to the Pistons and Rockets. I Agree on Indiana will be able to get better enticing trade assets out on the market compare to with BOS can offer.
It would definitely be interesting if Cavs make Garland or Sexton available for trade. Curious on what they want in return as I'm sure they'll be looking for some draft capital in return.
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Post by jrmzt on Jun 24, 2021 15:31:56 GMT -5
Indiana could easily get a 1st rounder + Kuzma from someone like the Lakers as they'll be desperate for a PG and Schroeder is out of their price range. We'd have to up our offer significantly I think? But yes I like the idea of Brogdon too. I'm hearing that the Cavs might soon have too many PGs? Garland, Sexton and now another top 3 pick which may potentially be a guard once Cunningham and Mobley go to the Pistons and Rockets. I Agree on Indiana will be able to get better enticing trade assets out on the market compare to with BOS can offer.
It would definitely be interesting if Cavs make Garland or Sexton available for trade. Curious on what they want in return as I'm sure they'll be looking for some draft capital in return. I reckon we are in a position that we can afford to mortgage our future with win-now moves. Trade those 1st round picks we own. We don't need more young players. Our team already has young players for the future but we're ready to contend right now. If anything Trae & the Hawks have shown you can and should be competing regardless of youth...that you're never too young to be calling yourself championship contenders. They made big moves trading for Capela, signing Bogdanovic and putting themselves in the right position.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 15, 2021 1:15:12 GMT -5
I can see this lineup working really really well if Nesmith and Rob play their roles solidly:
Nesmith Jaylen Tatun Horford Rob
Tatum will be the Point Forward and fascilitate a good portion of the offense (and remember, Udoka is big on moving the ball so it won't stick in Tatum's hands). He and Horford will be killer on the pick and rolls.
Nesmith's height and length will help him guard PG's.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 18, 2021 2:23:44 GMT -5
Smart Jaylen Tatum Horford Rob
If we're talking chemistry, this starting 5 would be the most familiar with each other. Biggest questions are if Smart will play smart, and if Rob can stay healthy for more than 75 games. Other than that, Tatum, Jaylen and Horford are rock solid.
So far, off the bench, we have veterans Thompson and Fournier (if re-signed). Going to need more sure handed veteran contributors (I'm not ready to hand the keys over to Nesmith and Romeo, though I trust Pritch more).
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Post by jrmzt on Jul 19, 2021 15:52:57 GMT -5
If theres one thing I've learnt watching these playoffs, its that you need a facilitator. And neither Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, Smart ...none of them facilitate.
The teams that went deep all had one guy who orchestrated the offense. The lucky ones have more than 2 guys!
Bucks - Giannis, Holiday Suns - CP3 Nuggets - Jokic Nets - Harden, Durant
These guys know they are threats and they use it to their advantage to create mismatches, find the open man, make the extra pass, create screen traps, find the roll man, etc.
I don't see any of our guys doing that unless one of them evolves their game.
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Post by afceltic on Jul 19, 2021 18:09:15 GMT -5
If theres one thing I've learnt watching these playoffs, its that you need a facilitator. And neither Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, Smart ...none of them facilitate. The teams that went deep all had one guy who orchestrated the offense. The lucky ones have more than 2 guys! Bucks - Giannis, Holiday Suns - CP3 Nuggets - Jokic Nets - Harden, Durant These guys know they are threats and they use it to their advantage to create mismatches, find the open man, make the extra pass, create screen traps, find the roll man, etc. I don't see any of our guys doing that unless one of them evolves their game. Very well said, that is why we need a legit PG on this team. The problem is that we will need an established one that Tatum won't mind deferring to as he was already anointed the leader of the team.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 20, 2021 0:16:28 GMT -5
I don't think Horford and TL can play alongside each other, at least for long minutes. Horford showed in Philly that he can no longer play PF, at least on the defensive end. He's just too slow. And TL has worse lateral speed than Al, so they're both relegated to center.
I think with the roster as is now, the starters are Smart Romeo Brown Tatum Horford
replace Romeo with Fournier if he resigns
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 20, 2021 1:33:38 GMT -5
If theres one thing I've learnt watching these playoffs, its that you need a facilitator. And neither Tatum, Brown, Nesmith, Smart ...none of them facilitate. The teams that went deep all had one guy who orchestrated the offense. The lucky ones have more than 2 guys! Bucks - Giannis, Holiday Suns - CP3 Nuggets - Jokic Nets - Harden, Durant These guys know they are threats and they use it to their advantage to create mismatches, find the open man, make the extra pass, create screen traps, find the roll man, etc. I don't see any of our guys doing that unless one of them evolves their game. If Brad feels that way too, he might explore going after Conley or Lowry -- I'd endorse either one of them 👍
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 20, 2021 3:01:18 GMT -5
That's why i was hoping scottie barnes could fall to 7 and we could entice a trade of Smart to GS for that pick. but i dont think he'll drop that far, sadly.
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Post by jrmzt on Jul 20, 2021 15:43:05 GMT -5
That's why i was hoping scottie barnes could fall to 7 and we could entice a trade of Smart to GS for that pick. but i dont think he'll drop that far, sadly. I think we take the plunge. With our current roster, we aren't exactly going to be in the lottery for years to come. We're nearly at the status of contenders but just a piece away from it. So let's go Smart + 2x 1st rounders + rights to swap 1st round picks in two more drafts if we believe Barnes is really the missing piece. That is if he falls that far. That is unless a FA decides to sign with us and solve that missing piece bit. Someone like a Lowry would command the team's respect.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 20, 2021 17:48:55 GMT -5
Ok, with the recent signings, let's think about this:
Smart Nesmith Brown Tatum Rob
Scenario: Udoka is candidate for Coach of the Year because he has unified this team and got them to play hard on defense and unselfish on offense, and everyone sacrifices themselves for what's best for the team.
Tatum is a top 7 player and Jaylen is top 18 and setting new bars. Smart reinvents himself and is the player we need him to be. Rob is in the mix for Defensive Player of the Year (both he and Smart) giving us defensive bookends.
Nesmith, while not a major contributor, keeps defenses honest, and makes them pay when they focus too much on the Jays -- and along with his timely slashing and solid perimeter defense, makes this starting 5 a tight and cohesive unit.
Then we have this solid veteran bench (which some heady and productive young ones) to support them.
Schroder Pritch Richardson Horford Kanter
Would not this team in this scenario be a darkhorse candidate to challenge the Nets and Bucks?
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Post by afceltic on Aug 20, 2021 18:01:32 GMT -5
No, that team is terrible as constructed now. To think anything else is being a Homer.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 22, 2021 13:22:47 GMT -5
Ok, with the recent signings, let's think about this: Smart Nesmith Brown Tatum Rob Scenario: Udoka is candidate for Coach of the Year because he has unified this team and got them to play hard on defense and unselfish on offense, and everyone sacrifices themselves for what's best for the team. Tatum is a top 7 player and Jaylen is top 18 and setting new bars. Smart reinvents himself and is the player we need him to be. Rob is in the mix for Defensive Player of the Year (both he and Smart) giving us defensive bookends. Nesmith, while not a major contributor, keeps defenses honest, and makes them pay when they focus too much on the Jays -- and along with his timely slashing and solid perimeter defense, makes this starting 5 a tight and cohesive unit. Then we have this solid veteran bench (which some heady and productive young ones) to support them. Schroder Pritch Richardson Horford Kanter Would not this team in this scenario be a darkhorse candidate to challenge the Nets and Bucks? I think this is in the realm of possibility but depends on a LOT of things going right for the team. I don't think it's very realistic, and I think you could say this kind of stuff about a lot of teams. Take for example the line about Smart. I just don't see it. Not at all. Maybe with a new coach, but largely I think he will be who he has been. I see a potentially competitive team, but I don't see this. I have huge huge concerns for this team. One is what happens when things get tough? How fast do these young players give up and/or start tuning people out? How do the Jays (especially Tatum) perceive this team and themselves? Because I am very nervous that they see themselves way more like a Bron or an Anthony Davis than a Giannis. I think Luka Doncic and Tre Young see themselves as Giannis. I see that as a huge problem. I get that players want to play with other good players and want teams built around them, but if that becomes some sort of condition for them becoming good players then we could be doomed. Because then good players might not want to play with them. I'm not sure good players will want to come here if they start seeing the Jays as just another version of Lillard and CJ Mc. I'm optimistic we're on the right path, but I think we have a fairly short window.
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Post by jmost on Aug 22, 2021 15:42:38 GMT -5
The best thing that could happen is if there is an open competition for starting PG between Smart and Schroder. Ime makes it clear what he wants and he doesn't hesitate to pull either guy from the game if they deviate, ie chuck without conscience.
If he lets Smart be Smart we're doomed.
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