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Jun 15, 2019 20:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 15, 2019 20:16:43 GMT -5
Have to think that AD really had his sites playing with Lebron. He ditched his agent and signed with Lebron’s. And with Rich Paul stating AD was guaranteed leaving next summer if we traded for him, there’s was no way Ainge could trade everything for him.
Danny must have had intel that AD was NOT staying beyond next season.
Rich Paul and Lebron, and even Anthony Davis, forced this trade to LA.
This stinks, but hey, if Anthony Davis likes LA, well then my days of cheering for him is behind me now.
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Post by jmost on Jun 15, 2019 20:28:00 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but with James and Davis, arguably two of the top 5 players in the league, the Fakers are the favorites for the next year and maybe the next few - depending on how James ages.
If Kyrie leaves, maybe our best bet is to be patient, let Brown and Tatum grow, develop our picks and be ready to go free agent hunting in a couple of years when Horford's and Hayward's contracts are up. It's a frustrating and disappointing setback to what looked so promising only 12 months ago, but I think it's important to realistically assess our chances and adjust our timetable if it's appropriate.
If Kyrie stays, Rozier leaves, GH is consistently good and both Brown and Tatum make a jump ... well, that's different. This playoff season showed how vulnerable teams with older stars can be to injury. And if Danny hits a home run in the draft, we might have a shot.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 15, 2019 21:29:26 GMT -5
Definitely, that duo should be very hard to match up with. But not impossible.
We have our AD neutralizer in Robert Williams!!!
If any team plans on beating the Lakers, they'll need to do it as a team, 5 vs. 5. Ainge still has his chance to build a contender this summer. We've got some pieces already in place.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 15, 2019 21:48:04 GMT -5
I am looking forward to winning with Brown, and Tatum. If Kyrie did not go diva mode this year, I think the deal would have been made.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 15, 2019 21:58:32 GMT -5
I think with Hayward, Tatum and Horford, we at least have a trio to work with -- guys who are smart, productive and follow the gameplan.
What I'd like to see is Ainge move the others players for a star caliber player who adds to the trio (I'll be rooting for Kawhi until the day he signs with us, or with some other team).
Drafting solid kids who can contribute from Day 1 will be fantastic. Ty Jerome is a coach's dream. Corey Davis in the second round will be nice.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 15, 2019 22:15:01 GMT -5
Griffin's asking price was:
Tatum Jaylen Smart Mem pick this year's 14th and 20th picks
That's steep, especially when Ainge knows Davis is not staying after next season.
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Jun 16, 2019 0:11:58 GMT -5
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Post by mev17 on Jun 16, 2019 0:11:58 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but with James and Davis, arguably two of the top 5 players in the league, the Fakers are the favorites for the next year and maybe the next few - depending on how James ages. If Kyrie leaves, maybe our best bet is to be patient, let Brown and Tatum grow, develop our picks and be ready to go free agent hunting in a couple of years when Horford's and Hayward's contracts are up. It's a frustrating and disappointing setback to what looked so promising only 12 months ago, but I think it's important to realistically assess our chances and adjust our timetable if it's appropriate. If Kyrie stays, Rozier leaves, GH is consistently good and both Brown and Tatum make a jump ... well, that's different. This playoff season showed how vulnerable teams with older stars can be to injury. And if Danny hits a home run in the draft, we might have a shot. I agree. Very disappointing to go from the verge of contending to having to reboot a rebuild. I just do not have much confidence in our current players making a big leap, but that may just be 'recency bias' given how poorly we competed against the Bucks. I don't think Kyrie leaving fixes all that the way some seem to think. At this point hope for the best in our young talent and coming draft picks. Maybe a trade opportunity pops up. Hopefully LA will have their own set of dysfunction. Otherwise we may have to brace ourselves for a couple of mediocre years and LA catching us in number of championships.
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Jun 16, 2019 4:41:41 GMT -5
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Post by afceltic on Jun 16, 2019 4:41:41 GMT -5
The more I think about it the more disgusted I get with the NBA once again helping a dysfunctional Faker team contend again. It is sticking how ESPN is trying to say that NO got a good deal and to have the gulf to say that the trade makes them an up and coming power in the West. What a freaking joke and it will be proven once NO either wins or finishes second in the draft in the foreseeable future.
I am trying to decide to give up on the NBA because of all the corruption and favoritism for the Fakers.
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Post by jmost on Jun 16, 2019 7:23:52 GMT -5
I hate to say this, but with James and Davis, arguably two of the top 5 players in the league, the Fakers are the favorites for the next year and maybe the next few - depending on how James ages. If Kyrie leaves, maybe our best bet is to be patient, let Brown and Tatum grow, develop our picks and be ready to go free agent hunting in a couple of years when Horford's and Hayward's contracts are up. It's a frustrating and disappointing setback to what looked so promising only 12 months ago, but I think it's important to realistically assess our chances and adjust our timetable if it's appropriate. If Kyrie stays, Rozier leaves, GH is consistently good and both Brown and Tatum make a jump ... well, that's different. This playoff season showed how vulnerable teams with older stars can be to injury. And if Danny hits a home run in the draft, we might have a shot. I agree. Very disappointing to go from the verge of contending to having to reboot a rebuild. I just do not have much confidence in our current players making a big leap, but that may just be 'recency bias' given how poorly we competed against the Bucks. I don't think Kyrie leaving fixes all that the way some seem to think. At this point hope for the best in our young talent and coming draft picks. Maybe a trade opportunity pops up. Hopefully LA will have their own set of dysfunction. Otherwise we may have to brace ourselves for a couple of mediocre years and LA catching us in number of championships. As far as I'm concerned "L.A." only has 11 championships. The other Laker titles were in Minneapolis.
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Post by jmost on Jun 16, 2019 8:41:03 GMT -5
from si.com: According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the Pelicans will receive Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, the No. 4 pick in the 2019 draft, a 2021 first-round pick (protected through the top eight) and a wholly unprotected 2024 first-round pick. In addition, the Pelicans will have the right to swap first-round picks with the Lakers in 2023 and 2025.
LeBron turns 35 in December, and AD has amply demonstrated that he can't carry a team very far on his own, so those 2023-2025 picks may turn out to be gold.
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Jun 16, 2019 9:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by mev17 on Jun 16, 2019 9:41:31 GMT -5
Interestingly enough I read that the 2021 pick is essentially "reverse protected" if it is not a top 8 pick it becomes an unprotected 2022, plus they have some swap rights with one of the other future picks. NO has significant control over when the picks convey.
I have heard Kemba Walker is their next target, though some say Kyrie wants to play with AD. I still think the Nets are more likely, given his new agent.
Will have to see how Ainge and ownership react. If they chose to stick with Tatum I doubt a big trade comes our way. May turn out well in the long run, or it may come back to haunt us. A bleacher report article summed up my biggest fear:
"In the span of one season, the Celtics could go from the toast of the East with an indefinite title window to a middle-rung playoff team or worse."
On the other hand, maybe Hayward bounces back and both Brown and Tatum make the proverbial leap. Will have to wait and see. I have to admit, with 11 years since our last title I was hoping for a more power packed lineup for 2019-2020. Oh well, such is life.
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Post by runrondo on Jun 16, 2019 10:35:34 GMT -5
Might as well stay put and hope we can replicate that chemistry we had when we made a run without Kyrie. We can still look to maybe package something with Smart or our draft picks to upgrade at PG or other positions.
I think it's safe to assume Kyrie is leaning towards leaving than staying since it seems everyone only wants to play for NY or LA these days.
In terms of the Lakers, I think injuries will play the biggest role in how they succeed. Davis isn't known for playing a full season and Lebron just had his first setback last year and isn't getting younger. Definitely a great duo though.
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Post by jmost on Jun 16, 2019 11:19:10 GMT -5
The more I think about it the more disgusted I get with the NBA once again helping a dysfunctional Faker team contend again. It is sticking how ESPN is trying to say that NO got a good deal and to have the gulf to say that the trade makes them an up and coming power in the West. What a freaking joke and it will be proven once NO either wins or finishes second in the draft in the foreseeable future. I am trying to decide to give up on the NBA because of all the corruption and favoritism for the Fakers. It has to be galling to teams that try to build patiently, by drafting, developing and trading intelligently, to have the Lakers build an instant contender by signing one big free agent and then having another force a trade to them. They really did nothing to deserve it, but this is their history. Beat LA!
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 16, 2019 12:33:11 GMT -5
I think LAL got fleeced, similarly Nets style. Griffin has the opportunity to turn any of those pieces into something more.
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Post by afceltic on Jun 16, 2019 12:53:20 GMT -5
I am fully on board to trade a package around Smart for Capella and resigning Rozier since that is the most realistic option we have at PG with our lack of cap space. That is unless we get Rubio or Beverly to commit to a sign and trade type deal. I also know if I am Holiday in NO, I want out of there in the worst way now.
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