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Post by afceltic on Jun 10, 2019 9:05:19 GMT -5
Apparently Tatum is the guy Griffin wants to get in an AD trade which would pair him with Zion as they would be on the same timetable to mature together. Another thing is that if this does come true, IDK how Kyrie leaves that lineup and the amount of money that we can give him. I am not going to say anything bad about a guy who goes to play for his favorite childhood team in the Nets, but they will never have a lineup like that one for him to play with. But as we have all heard plenty of times over, Kyrie isn't normal in any way shape or form when it comes to how he conducts himself either.
As for the defense I think having both Al and AD would allow our guards to save some energy on the defensive side since we would have a premier rim protector in AD and an guy like Al who is great as a secondary shot blocker. I would love to see Baynes and Morris as our bench bigs, then fill out the guards with ring chasers.
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Post by jmost on Jun 10, 2019 14:17:21 GMT -5
I'd pull the trigger on that one too. I'm not convinced Tatum is going to be a superstar. I don't even know he'll be an all-star. To me he's more of a solid pro. Smart is what he is. Five years in I don't see him getting much better. You never know what a mid-teen pick could turn into, anything from Rozier to Antetokounmpo, but a superstar in the hand is worth 3 in the bush, and if we can get him without giving up both Brown AND Tatum, do it. I don't think that lineup (Rubio, Brown, Hayward, AD, Horford) is enough, but if you add either Irving or whoever we might get in a sign and trade for him, now you're talking.
Does anyone know what rules apply to signing and trading your own vet free agent?
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Post by afceltic on Jun 10, 2019 17:49:34 GMT -5
It sounds like if AD falls through then Clint Capella is our back up option. The main reason is that an AD deal may fall through is that NO wants to have a deal in place no later than draft day and Kyrie likely won't commit by then. Danny has also talked to Rozier about coming back too, I wonder what Houston wants for him? He fits what we need too as a rim protector and can score when the opportunity is there too. Not to mention would be a perfect mentor for Williams too.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 11, 2019 14:22:46 GMT -5
With the KD injury, it's logical to think Kyrie's options have narrowed down -- if his plan was to team up with Durant somewhere (whether here in Boston or elsewhere), that may no longer be in play.
If Ainge is able to get Anthony Davis, Kyrie may give staying in Boston more consideration than he was prior to KD's injury (and who knows, maybe Kyrie's plan all along was to re-sign here).
Let's run with that scenario. Al Horford opts out and signs for a longer term with fewer dollars per year. We trade Tatum, Smart, raft picks and filler. Kyrie re-signs.
That is going to give us quite a potent starting 5, that if gels and maximizes its talents, should compete against any team in the league:
Kyrie Jaylen Hayward Horford Anthony Davis
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 11, 2019 17:40:42 GMT -5
The Lakers’ trade package is garbage, and I think the media is trying to make it sound fantastic.
Ball? His shot, is not working. Might not be a star without one. Ingram? Huge medical red flag. Kuzma? Already at his ceiling (solid rotation player) Hart? Nothing to write home about. 4th pick? Could turn out to be a terrific pick, if the guy they pick turns out good (Garland, Culver, Hunter, etc).
What is great about that package?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 11, 2019 18:41:52 GMT -5
I think Griffin is going to get $.50 on the dollar, because Rich Paul has floated through the media the only teams AD would "consider" signing with, and AD could be a one-year rental.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 11, 2019 20:16:45 GMT -5
Let’s look at another scenario. Say we trade for AD, but Kyrie departs.
Looking at Jaylen, Hayward, Horford and Davis, what kind of player should that so called “point guard” be?
Ricky Rubio’s name has been brought up. Mike Conley. Bring Rozier back. Rajon Rondo.
I think a guy in the mold of DJ would be ideal. A guy who has size, can handle the ball, pass, score, and is smart to know needs to be done (which eliminates Rozier then).
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2019 0:36:38 GMT -5
And if plans A and B falls through, then we go total youth movement — move Horford and Hayward to a title contender, or those knocking on the door of contention (we’ll of course do the right thing for these 2 class acts).
Hoping we can get draft picks for them. If Ainge can pull a rabbit out of the hat, I’d like to see him get Capela for Rozier. And somehow pull the 5th or 6th pick so we can draft Darius Garland, our future PG.
Garland Jaylen Tatum ? Capela
That’s a 25 and under team that I’d like to see grow together. If there’s a stud Power Forward to be had in the upcoming drafts, that might be just the player we need.
Boy, fantasizing about potentials and what ifs brings me back to the pre KG-PP-RA days. Not sure I want to he there again.
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Post by runrondo on Jun 12, 2019 8:43:29 GMT -5
Boy, fantasizing about potentials and what ifs brings me back to the pre KG-PP-RA days. Not sure I want to he there again. Same here - I never realized how delusional and misguided you can get about your own "young" players. I guess I shouldn't be so harsh since Golden State clearly were able to get lucky with draft picks and development (although they still signed Durant). I remember thinking how "good" our potential was pre-KG/RA, but then when I look back all I see is below average or average players. This is what we traded for KG: Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Telfair, Gerald Green, Johnny Flynn ([HASH]6 pick, Steph Curry went [HASH]7!!!), Wayne Ellington ([HASH]28 pick)This is what we traded for Ray Allen Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak, Jeff Green ([HASH]5 pick)We gave basically two top 5 picks, a really good young player (Jefferson), a really "high potential" young guy (Gerald Green), some potential (Telfair), and a player putting up 12 and 5 (Gomes). Other than Jefferson, this was kind of worthless. I'm proud Green finally got it together to be an effective role player (as were Jeff Green and Delonte), but that's it. Crazy. We would've been terrible for a decade.
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Post by jmost on Jun 12, 2019 11:21:16 GMT -5
I wonder if KG would have agreed to come to Boston if we had drafted [HASH]1 or [HASH]2 (Oden or Durant).
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2019 13:49:07 GMT -5
Boy, fantasizing about potentials and what ifs brings me back to the pre KG-PP-RA days. Not sure I want to he there again. Same here - I never realized how delusional and misguided you can get about your own "young" players. I guess I shouldn't be so harsh since Golden State clearly were able to get lucky with draft picks and development (although they still signed Durant). I remember thinking how "good" our potential was pre-KG/RA, but then when I look back all I see is below average or average players. This is what we traded for KG: Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Telfair, Gerald Green, Johnny Flynn ([HASH]6 pick, Steph Curry went [HASH]7!!!), Wayne Ellington ([HASH]28 pick)This is what we traded for Ray Allen Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak, Jeff Green ([HASH]5 pick)We gave basically two top 5 picks, a really good young player (Jefferson), a really "high potential" young guy (Gerald Green), some potential (Telfair), and a player putting up 12 and 5 (Gomes). Other than Jefferson, this was kind of worthless. I'm proud Green finally got it together to be an effective role player (as were Jeff Green and Delonte), but that's it. Crazy. We would've been terrible for a decade. A That’s why I don’t think you’ll see Ainge flinch at trading away Tatum or Jaylen. They are not generational talent. They could be All-Stars, but not elite players who win you championships. I
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Post by jmost on Jun 12, 2019 15:25:42 GMT -5
One of the things I like about Danny is that he's not afraid to fail. So many GMs just plod along doing the safe thing (the CYA thing) and never build anything special. That might be ok in some cities and for some franchises, but not in Boston and not for the Celtics. When you're truly championship-driven, you have to get really lucky with the ping pong balls or do something bold. Rolling the dice by trading away both Brown and Tatum for a guy (AD) who might walk away in a year, is ballsy, and I'm sure Danny would talk about it with the owners, but if the perception within the organization is that not doing it relegates us to good-but-not-good-enough status, he'll do it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2019 15:49:22 GMT -5
Yes, go for it, and if it doesn’t work, try another move. Staying with Tatum, Jaylen, Smart, Rozier, Semi and Yabu will not go very far, especially with a stronger Eastern conference.
If we grab AD, and Kyrie bolts, I wonder what Ainge’s next move will be?
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 12, 2019 18:24:03 GMT -5
I speculate there will be a second move, if AD is the first move.
On a side note, Al Jefferson turned into a pretty good player. He was all-NBA (third team) one season.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2019 19:19:57 GMT -5
Looks like Ainge hasn’t offered Tatum yet, and we’re still in the running for AD. LA has offered most of their load, and it still isn’t good enough for the Pels (I think the Lakers’ trade package is weak).
Other teams are being brought in to help facilitate a deal for the Lakers (ATL, PHO?).
Ainge is playing this right. Hold firm on his offer, and let LA try to come up with a better offer. If they do, we still have Tatum as the trump card, if he needs to use it.
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