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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 17, 2019 15:14:40 GMT -5
I think I agree with the folks who claim the owner of the Pelicans (who also owns the Saints football team) will never deal with Los Angeles teams. She said, over my dead body, and I think she means it.
With that said, AD wants out of NOR — the only 2 realistic places I see AD going is BOS, or NY.
And if it is going to be NY, then I’ve got to imagine Kyrie and Durant are meeting up with him there.
If that’s the case, I think we need to move Horford and even Hayward and go with a strict youth movement — even with them two vets, we’re not likely to beat out the Bucks. Let the next couple of years be used to develop Tatum and Jaylen into heavy usage efficient players (if at all possible).
But, if NOR trades AD to us, well now that changes everything. You’d have Kyrie back, and now Ainge needs to do his best to get that 3rd banana. He might very well have to clear the cupboard and sell our future. But if we’re competing for, and winning multiple titles, no one will be complaining about whom we had to give up (how many folks are upset that we traded away Al Jefferson to get Garnett?).
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Post by jmost on May 17, 2019 17:28:21 GMT -5
What do the Knicks have that would entice NO to trade him there? I don't see it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 17, 2019 17:47:40 GMT -5
What do the Knicks have that would entice NO to trade him there? I don't see it. Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, Mitchell Robinson, 3rd pick, maybe DeAndre Jordan sign and trade. Not a great package, but some nice young pieces. If our offer is Jaylen and some late 1sts (with fillers) that Knicks offer might be better.
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Post by jmost on May 17, 2019 18:20:38 GMT -5
Jaylen and late 1sts definitely won't make it happen. First, salaries don't match. Smart has to be included, as well as other minor players, plus better picks.
We may have to offer both JT AND JB. None of us want to, but a superstar in the hand is worth two potential stars in the bush. It would be an "all-in" move by Danny, but we know he's not afraid to do it if that's what it takes.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 17, 2019 23:37:55 GMT -5
Jaylen and late 1sts definitely won't make it happen. First, salaries don't match. Smart has to be included, as well as other minor players, plus better picks. We may have to offer both JT AND JB. None of us want to, but a superstar in the hand is worth two potential stars in the bush. It would be an "all-in" move by Danny, but we know he's not afraid to do it if that's what it takes. It is definitely a calculated risk — one that might prove to be a mistake in a few years. Say for whatever reason, our dysfunctionality remains even after Rozier leaves, and we realize Kyrie’s moodiness is the root problem. Then AD chooses not to re-sign with us because he senses it’s not going to work here. Then Kyrie decides to jump ship or force a trade. And we had given Tatum and Brown to get AD, and now we are left with nothing. That’s an extremely negative scenario. On the opposite side, we migjt end up with mutiple championships with Kyrie and AD. So glad I’m not Danny Ainge.
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Post by Roadrunner on May 18, 2019 9:56:25 GMT -5
Jaylen and late 1sts definitely won't make it happen. First, salaries don't match. Smart has to be included, as well as other minor players, plus better picks. We may have to offer both JT AND JB. None of us want to, but a superstar in the hand is worth two potential stars in the bush. It would be an "all-in" move by Danny, but we know he's not afraid to do it if that's what it takes. It is definitely a calculated risk — one that might prove to be a mistake in a few years. Say for whatever reason, our dysfunctionality remains even after Rozier leaves, and we realize Kyrie’s moodiness is the root problem. Then AD chooses not to re-sign with us because he senses it’s not going to work here. Then Kyrie decides to jump ship or force a trade. And we had given Tatum and Brown to get AD, and now we are left with nothing. That’s an extremely negative scenario. On the opposite side, we migjt end up with mutiple championships with Kyrie and AD. So glad I’m not Danny Ainge. I think there were a lot of issues with this years team. I am fairly certain BOS is not running it back. However, emptying the cupboard for AD (how do we know he will sign an extension), and Kyrie walking would be reversing the BOS process. Sam Hinkie made all these moves for PHI, just to have new GMs cash in, and PHI is left now with only a top-8 team with no assets, and a lot of uncertainty.
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Post by jmost on May 18, 2019 12:28:29 GMT -5
For Danny it's gotta depend on what he sees as the ceiling for JB and JT, and to a lesser extent, Smart, who after 5 years is more or less a known quantity. I think many of us, including myself, overrated Jayson's potential because his first year was so precocious. To me he didn't show much growth in his second year and that's concerning. Jaylen has always been raw, the athletic ability exceeding the basketball ability, and he's made a lot of progress, but can any of us say with confidence that he'll ever be an All-Star, never mind a top 5 player like AD? So, yes, it's a gamble to trade them both, and if we do, and Kyrie walks, followed by AD a year later, we'll be back at square one. But if we don't trade them, and Kyrie walks, how far can TR (if we keep him - which is questionable), Smart, Brown, GH, Tatum,Horford, and draft picks take us? Same team as this year, minus Kyrie, and plus the new rookies. If the Bucks keep their team intact, Giannis is going to rule the East unless someone else raises their game A LOT. How do we best do that? There are risks both ways.
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Post by runrondo on May 18, 2019 13:53:04 GMT -5
I don't envy Ainge's position. I do think you gotta go for AD/Kyrie and hope you can keep one of Tatum/Brown. What else is gonna beat Giannis? I don't think JB and JT are gonna be superstars and if they are it surely won't be next year or quick.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on May 26, 2019 19:27:27 GMT -5
No matter whether Kyrie stays or leaves, the only way we could sign another star is if they would take the vet minimum or the midlevel. Or, we would have to trade for them and if we trade for AD, we would have no assets left to trade for anyone. Personally, I hope Danny finds a way to keep Smart. I love the intensity and grit that he brings to the team and he vastly improved his offense this past year and will likely improve again for next year.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 27, 2019 0:46:31 GMT -5
I gotta admit that Smart turned my head this year. I’m almost a believer (but years of inefficient stats still keep me skeptical).
He’s the heart and soul of the team, he’s a great defender and doesn’t complain about his role. He’s improved a whole lot as a passer. Now, if he can bump up his 3pt% to 38%, it’s a no brainer.
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Post by jmost on May 27, 2019 6:20:20 GMT -5
Love the heart, hate the head. He still takes more bad shots than anyone on the team, and he forces passes that aren't there. I also think his D is overrated. And yes, I know he just made All-NBA First Team. But IMO it's all based on his spectacular blocks and steals. He can't lock down any good offensive player. We got burnt all year by guards. Jamal Murray. Kemba Walker. D'Angelo Russell. etc, etc. He's the .200 hitter who hits the occasional 475 foot home run. Everyone is all "ooh" and "aah" but is he really that good? Mostly I just think he makes bad decisions and you can't win with that.
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Post by runrondo on May 27, 2019 10:02:12 GMT -5
I agree with Draymond that 2nd team all defense was better than 1st team. Not sure how that happened.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 27, 2019 18:35:27 GMT -5
Love the heart, hate the head. He still takes more bad shots than anyone on the team, and he forces passes that aren't there. I also think his D is overrated. And yes, I know he just made All-NBA First Team. But IMO it's all based on his spectacular blocks and steals. He can't lock down any good offensive player. We got burnt all year by guards. Jamal Murray. Kemba Walker. D'Angelo Russell. etc, etc. He's the .200 hitter who hits the occasional 475 foot home run. Everyone is all "ooh" and "aah" but is he really that good? Mostly I just think he makes bad decisions and you can't win with that. In the players’ poll about who is the toughest defender to play against, I believe Smart was among the top.
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Post by jmost on May 27, 2019 19:27:46 GMT -5
I'll concede that the players should know better than anyone. I just don't think he is nearly as good as Avery Bradley was in his prime.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 27, 2019 19:44:22 GMT -5
Avery stayed in front of his man better / Smart is the more physical player. Avery is built to guard finess players while Smart mixes it up with tougher guys.
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