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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 16, 2017 22:17:20 GMT -5
BTW a starting lineup of Smart Jaylen Tatum Markanen MLE free agent is better than whatever the Lakers put out there next year as their starting lineup...barely Haha, you're right. That's why it'll be good to get their draft pick next year. We could have the #1 and #2 next year, in a draft that's supposed to be more special than this year's. |
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Post by eja117 on Jun 16, 2017 22:19:06 GMT -5
BTW....there are 22 "guests" monitoring this site right now and who knows how many looking at other sites.
There are scouts, agents, coaching staff looking around at ideas and concepts. There's too much at stake not to. All sorts of metrics and computers going on.
ALL YOUR PICKS PHILLY! YOU HEAR ME! ALL OF EM! DROP EM AT THE DOOR!
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 16, 2017 22:22:08 GMT -5
When I hear Fultz might get traded for a "package" of "picks"....I'm hearing at least three picks. I'm hearing [HASH]3 and at least two more after that. That means the Lakers pick next year and at least one more. So I hear [HASH]3 and various top picks. That means to me maybe a trade down to 5 and 10 this year and other high picks either next year or next year AND the year after that. Having two top ten picks for three years in a row (after picking 3rd last year and 6th the year before that) while also having added Horford last year and a top free agent this year, and having IT....yeah I'm fine with that. With all those picks, you can almost see Ainge's mindset, that we need to gear up and find replacements for our free agents who are going to be too expensive for us to retain. Bradley and IT are going to cost us a lot of money to keep. Jae will get a fat pay raise. Marcus will be up for a raise. We're going to be shelling out lots of money for role players. So Ainge is getting lots of draft picks to find their cheaper replacements. |
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Post by eja117 on Jun 16, 2017 22:23:50 GMT -5
I definitely agree Ainge is probably calling the owners every 5 minutes like "How much can I go over the cap in 2020?"
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 16, 2017 22:26:16 GMT -5
I think I'm ok with the trade for the #3, 2018 Lakers pick, and a 2020 Philly's first.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 16, 2017 22:27:50 GMT -5
It reminds me of when the Patriots used to trade down in every draft and they'd end up with like 3 2nd rounders and 2 3rds or 4ths in every draft year in and year out. With all those picks I feel like DA would keep trading them years out with diminishing protections so that he'd have lottery picks every year indefinitely. Over time he'd move up in the lottery every once in a while helping him to perpetuate this constant cycle.
I mean if someone said to you....instead of the [HASH]1 pick this year...how would you like [HASH]5 this year....and a lotto pick every year....forever. Plus you can get a max free agent without immediately. You'd take that. DA isn't like other GMs. He isn't thinking he has a 3 or 5 year window. He's looking to be the next Red. He planned this years ago.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 16, 2017 22:32:26 GMT -5
I think I'm ok with the trade for the #3, 2018 Lakers pick, and a 2020 Philly's first. That Lakers pick could be #5 next year. Philly will probably be in the playoffs by 2020. I need the Kings pick in 2019 and an extra 2nd rounder or I'm out. I also want to talk about Jahil O |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 16, 2017 22:40:39 GMT -5
I read that Stephen A. Smith said Philly wants Jackson at #1. Maybe they think LA might take him at #2, so they're trying to juml ahead of them.
If that's really the case, then we may still get Markelle, and all the draft picks from Philly. And if LA takes Markelle at #2, we still can take Tatum at 3, and we still get all those picks from Philly.
Either way, I think we come out on top.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 16, 2017 22:56:05 GMT -5
It looks to me a lot like Ainge trying to do a Penny and 3 draft picks for Webber type deal. Goooooo Danny! And he should stand firm on that.
If I'm Danny I'm pretty clear I basically need this done ahead of time. If Danny really want Jackson he needs to know Jackson is still available to him or at least Fultz. It's not great if we trade the pick and Jackson goes 1 and Fultz goes 2 and we're holding a guy we don't want.
To me if we want Jackson and Philly wants Jackson we should pick Jackson. If we want Fultz and Philly wants Fultz we should pick Fultz. If we don't know who they want we need to pick who we want and wait till they get who we want at 3 or we need to make the deal ahead of time and it needs to be big enough that we're happy with whoever we get at 3 and everything else we get.
Essentially if we want to get Jackson or Fultz we need to get one of those guys or the deal has to be big enough that we don't feel too bad about not getting one of these guys. Or we take one of these guys and then take smaller deal for the other.
It's one or the other. If we sense some huge drop off after [HASH]2 then we need to get our guy. If I'm the Celts I might be like "Who do you want? Yeah that's who we want too so it has to be a big deal" then hope it's the same guy and take him. Otherwise the Lakers get a really really good guy and they get the deal we woulda got.
We sorta need to block the Lakers from getting the deal we want
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 16, 2017 23:04:00 GMT -5
It looks to me a lot like Ainge trying to do a Penny and 3 draft picks for Webber type deal. Goooooo Danny! And he should stand firm on that. If I'm Danny I'm pretty clear I basically need this done ahead of time. If Danny really want Jackson he needs to know Jackson is still available to him or at least Fultz. It's not great if we trade the pick and Jackson goes 1 and Fultz goes 2 and we're holding a guy we don't want. To me if we want Jackson and Philly wants Jackson we should pick Jackson. If we want Fultz and Philly wants Fultz we should pick Fultz. If we don't know who they want we need to pick who we want and wait till they get who we want at 3 or we need to make the deal ahead of time and it needs to be big enough that we're happy with whoever we get at 3 and everything else we get. Essentially if we want to get Jackson or Fultz we need to get one of those guys or the deal has to be big enough that we don't feel too bad about not getting one of these guys. Or we take one of these guys and then take smaller deal for the other. It's one or the other. If we sense some huge drop off after [HASH]2 then we need to get our guy. If I'm the Celts I might be like "Who do you want? Yeah that's who we want too so it has to be a big deal" then hope it's the same guy and take him. Otherwise the Lakers get a really really good guy and they get the deal we woulda got. We sorta need to block the Lakers from getting the deal we want Who were the 3 selections in the Hardaway/Webber deal? Interested. |
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Post by eja117 on Jun 16, 2017 23:13:09 GMT -5
You have to do the deal that you're happy getting the player you wanted 3rd most. And it would also be wise to call ahead to the Kings and see if they want to do picks 5 and 10 for 3.
Then you have to be happy with 10 and whatever else the Kings gave you and whatever else Philly gave you for the player you wanted 5th most. Then hopefully you get the guy you wanted 3rd or 4th most.
My prediction if we do both trades....we pick a relative wild card like J Isaac or Dennis Smith Jr. Possibly Tatum. Tatum could easily slide to 5th. I've heard J Isaac wouldn't work out for anyone after [HASH]4. If he has a top 4 promise....idk...stuff could get quite interesting.
I think it's entirely likely someone is moving up right now and someone is moving down. If someone forced me to guess I'd say J Isaac is moving up and Ball is moving down. If J Isaac moves to 4....people are moving down...suddenly Tatum and/or Fox is there at 6. Let's say they go 6 and 7. Now Monk goes 8 to the Knicks. Now what if Dallas decides they need to get a replacement for Dirk at 9 and pick Markanen or Z Collins.
Now at ten you get Dennis Smith.
How ecstatic would you be to come out of this draft with Tatum, Dennis Smith, the Laker's pick next year, the 76ers pick next year, Jahil O, and the Kings 2019 pick? And then we sign Gordon Hayward.
So now we're looking at
IT/Smart/Dennis Smith
AveryJaylen
Gordan H/Tatum
Horford/Crowder/Yab
Jahil/Zizic/MLE free agent
Then we trade....idk...Avery and a first round pick and a 2nd rounder for a disgruntled big like...idk...Gorgui Deng or Porzingis or Drummond or Jokic or Valanciunus or Steven Adams?
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Post by eja117 on Jun 16, 2017 23:14:51 GMT -5
It looks to me a lot like Ainge trying to do a Penny and 3 draft picks for Webber type deal. Goooooo Danny! And he should stand firm on that. If I'm Danny I'm pretty clear I basically need this done ahead of time. If Danny really want Jackson he needs to know Jackson is still available to him or at least Fultz. It's not great if we trade the pick and Jackson goes 1 and Fultz goes 2 and we're holding a guy we don't want. To me if we want Jackson and Philly wants Jackson we should pick Jackson. If we want Fultz and Philly wants Fultz we should pick Fultz. If we don't know who they want we need to pick who we want and wait till they get who we want at 3 or we need to make the deal ahead of time and it needs to be big enough that we're happy with whoever we get at 3 and everything else we get. Essentially if we want to get Jackson or Fultz we need to get one of those guys or the deal has to be big enough that we don't feel too bad about not getting one of these guys. Or we take one of these guys and then take smaller deal for the other. It's one or the other. If we sense some huge drop off after [HASH]2 then we need to get our guy. If I'm the Celts I might be like "Who do you want? Yeah that's who we want too so it has to be a big deal" then hope it's the same guy and take him. Otherwise the Lakers get a really really good guy and they get the deal we woulda got. We sorta need to block the Lakers from getting the deal we want Who were the 3 selections in the Hardaway/Webber deal? Interested. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 17, 2017 3:53:28 GMT -5
Boy, my life was so easy up until today. We were going to draft Fultz, sign Hayward, and that was it. Easy, no guess work.
Now it's complete chaos!!!
I have no idea what's going to happen on draft day. And I'm going to go crazy from now until next Thursday afternoon.
Thanks, Danny!
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Post by eja117 on Jun 17, 2017 7:57:37 GMT -5
One thing is really clear to me and that's that Fultz is being picked [HASH]1. You can't let Fultz get to the Lakers. They are going to take Fultz one and then dare the Lakers to take J Jackson 2.
These are the reasons they don't believe the Lakers will pick Jackson [HASH]2.
He immediately is redundant with either B Ingram or Larry Nance or J Randle
He is immediately redundant with Paul George that they expect to sign after this coming year.
They could really use a distributor that really wants to be there.
In the unlikely scenario that the Lakers take Jackson Tatum could still be good enough to get this deal done. Another way the deal still gets done is that we call the Kings and ask if they would want to trade [HASH]5 and [HASH]10 for [HASH]3 and some 2nds.
Another thing....Hey Chicago....are you interested in a lotto pick, Crowder, and a not lotto first for Butler?
Another possibility......don't rule out a dark horse team. If the Knicks landed Dennis Smith......if we could get say....Dennis Smith and two future unprotected Knicks firsts....
You'd be walking out of this draft with possibly Dennis Smith and
2018 Lakers pick
2018 76ers pick
2019 Kings pick
2018 Knicks pick
2019 Knicks pick
Other possibility...trade down twice...once with Philly....once with Sac AND MAYBE EVEN AGAIN! What if Minny wants to move up to 5? Or the Knicks? Forget that. Just trade down twice
So we get [HASH]3 and trade it for [HASH]5 and 10
Walk away with
DeArron Fox (or J Isaac)
and
Markanen (or Z Collins)
and
Lakers 2018
76ers 18
Sac 19
It becomes pretty apparent at this point we have the picks to make offers on guys like Anthony Davis
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 17, 2017 13:41:01 GMT -5
Fultz was cut from his varsity team in his sophomore year so his first real team experience was in his junior year when he made the varsity. Then he played one year at Washington and worked his way to the top of the draft. That's 3 years to impress the basketball world to the point where he is an elite player. That doesn't seem like a kid without a strong work ethic. He had to work hard to get there in such a short time.
On the other hand, he was the best player on a bad team and according to Draft Express he struggled when they played against tougher competition. I'm trying to figure out what Danny may be seeing that would cause him to like another player just as much or more than Fultz. I was checking out Jackson on Draft Xpress and he does sound like a Danny guy.
They say that he needs to work on his offense but that he improved quite a bit through the season and that he should be able to improve still more once he gets to the NBA. But the fact that he plays tough defense and gives 110% effort does make him sound like a Danny guy.
But then again, if they are hoping to get Hayward, that kind of crowds the small forward position. Unless Crowder is traded or plays the 4 more. I'm not sure what Danny's going to do but he sure is making this draft a lot more interesting than we thought it was going to be.
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