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Post by joshrblabber on Aug 1, 2016 18:54:54 GMT -5
The thread on replacing Evans got me thinking about this...I will really miss him, he has a unique old-school game and he was (mostly) a joy to watch. But I think his greatest asset for us was his ability to take over the offense and create, replacing IT as the focal point of the offense. Our offense last year often struggled unless one of the two was on the floor. The problem was that sometimes they became ball-stoppers and the team would get out of sync.
Winning without a superstar means that the team offense has to deliver in crunch time. We will never get to the next level if our mindset is to give IT (or anyone) the ball and let him create. I think this team, when it is not running, needs a highly structured offense that systematically finds mismatches through ball movement, akin to the triangle. Horford makes this possible - last year the bigs couldn't hold their own on offense. The problem that I see is effectively fitting IT into that style. Great coaching challenge for BS.
In any case, I am hoping that more structure and the addition of Horford will lessen the impact of losing Evans, and I will be fascinated by the decisions BS makes in this area.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 1, 2016 19:09:07 GMT -5
Hey there, JoshRBladder.
You make an excellent point, which I think we all agree. We need more scorers who are capable of getting buckets the final 4 minutes of the game. Danny alluded to this many times in the past.
Was Evan Turner this guy? No, at least not on a consistent basis. But was he a guy who could sometimes create his own shots? Yeah, he did a lot of isolation last year and did come up with nice finishes. But lets not forget that he was also capable of forcing things and coming up with bad possessions.
Like you, I am hopping that our team chemistry will gel even more than it did last year, and the ball is passed around the court more, and that more guys will get involved with scoring. Having Horford will only help. And I think Gerald will find success too.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 1, 2016 19:09:10 GMT -5
The thread on replacing Evans got me thinking about this...I will really miss him, he has a unique old-school game and he was (mostly) a joy to watch. But I think his greatest asset for us was his ability to take over the offense and create, replacing IT as the focal point of the offense. Our offense last year often struggled unless one of the two was on the floor. The problem was that sometimes they became ball-stoppers and the team would get out of sync. Winning without a superstar means that the team offense has to deliver in crunch time. We will never get to the next level if our mindset is to give IT (or anyone) the ball and let him create. I think this team, when it is not running, needs a highly structured offense that systematically finds mismatches through ball movement, akin to the triangle. Horford makes this possible - last year the bigs couldn't hold their own on offense. The problem that I see is effectively fitting IT into that style. Great coaching challenge for BS. In any case, I am hoping that more structure and the addition of Horford will lessen the impact of losing Evans, and I will be fascinated by the decisions BS makes in this area. Darn good first post |
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Post by oldtimeball on Aug 1, 2016 19:19:11 GMT -5
Welcome.. Good post. I love the ball movement. I didn't think to much of the Pistons until I saw them annihilate us with athleticism and ball movement.. Even though bird stole the ball. lol..
Thanks for bringing good memories.. Good intelligent input..
Not sure we have the talent for the triangle? We will miss Evan and yes Darren he was a lot like Paul Peirce.. Forcing offense.. It's a quandary because you want a player to be aggressive and want the ball but sometimes being aggressive is sometimes reckless..
Question.. Who would you add or subtract?
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Post by joshrblabber on Aug 1, 2016 19:42:16 GMT -5
Pistons are a GREAT example, and Zeke made it work by not looking for his shot early. They used to script the first 5 or 10 plays just like a football team. Dantley or Aguirre got the ball on the left side and tested the matchup. They ran it until it didn't work, forcing most teams to double and open up somebody else. Chuck Daley was definitely playing chess, and it worked for years.
I am hoping we have the talent this year. Maybe Horford becomes the early offense? Test the matchup first thing and adapt as necessary. Last season our best early offense was often running AB off multiple screens - he had a lot of big Q1s, but right now I am favoring the inside-out approach as our bread-and-butter.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 1, 2016 20:05:34 GMT -5
Welcome joshrblabber! Great post. KP for you!
After watching Rozier in Summer League, he really showed a lot of improvement on the offensive end and in the ability to run the team. Jackson was a bit raw but also shows potential. I'm also thinking that if he can be persuaded to be more aggressive with his shot, he can help in this area. He was shooting very well before the shoulder injury but he needed to be more assertive. If (and that's a big if) he can be more aggressive and can get back to that high percentage that would be great. And as you said, Horford will be very important in this area.
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Post by jmost on Aug 1, 2016 20:09:14 GMT -5
Welcome, joshrblabber. Nice post. I agree about Turner being missed as far as creating offense. One thing I was reading just today was how good Horford is in the pick and roll, so I think we'll see a lot more of that. Personally I love to watch an offense built around ball movement, but I wonder if our shooting is solid enough to make it work. Smart and Brown (at least at first) concern me. Can they drain the shots if they're the ones open?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 1, 2016 20:22:25 GMT -5
Welcome, joshrblabber. Nice post. I agree about Turner being missed as far as creating offense. One thing I was reading just today was how good Horford is in the pick and roll, so I think we'll see a lot more of that. Personally I love to watch an offense built around ball movement, but I wonder if our shooting is solid enough to make it work. Smart and Brown (at least at first) concern me. Can they drain the shots if they're the ones open? This is where I think Gerald Green is going to be seen as a good pickup. |
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Post by joshrblabber on Aug 1, 2016 20:39:06 GMT -5
Welcome, joshrblabber. Nice post. I agree about Turner being missed as far as creating offense. One thing I was reading just today was how good Horford is in the pick and roll, so I think we'll see a lot more of that. Personally I love to watch an offense built around ball movement, but I wonder if our shooting is solid enough to make it work. Smart and Brown (at least at first) concern me. Can they drain the shots if they're the ones open? The Pistons always had guys that couldn't shoot, that's OK if it's built into the system, but I don't think teams will sag off Smart and Brown for long. If you give either of those guys space they will find a way. |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 1, 2016 21:41:21 GMT -5
I'm still a believer in Smart making a big step in his 3rd season. This will be the first season of his career that he will be healthy going into camp. Hopefully Rozier can make a similar step.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 1, 2016 22:03:09 GMT -5
Just saw that they don't expect to extend Kelly's contract so it looks like he'll be a free agent next summer. So it will be an important make or break year for him going into free agency. Hopefully it will be a good one.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 1, 2016 22:35:45 GMT -5
Smart move not to extend Olynyk right now. Based on the players we've drafted and went after, Ainge and Brad are going after players who are offensive and defensive, and also tough physically.
Kelly will need to be a big factor behind the arc this season and earn a bigger payday from us as a free agent. This guy isn't a rebounder, even though I heard he's supposed to have positive defensive impact, I just don't see it.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 2, 2016 0:40:39 GMT -5
I think his defense definitely improved last year, but i didn't see enough games to have a strong opinion. He definitely hustles, but that can only get you so far. I agree that it's best to wait until next summer with KO's contract. He'll still be a restricted FA, so we can match any offer he gets. If he's willing can lock him up long term at a reasonable rate, I'd be all for it. Dude has a unique skill set.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 2, 2016 0:51:52 GMT -5
Unique skill set, but plays too hesitant, timid.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 2, 2016 0:52:36 GMT -5
I love not extending KO. We have like 50 million draft picks. If you want to make this roster you can't be mediocre any more like Sully. Or maybe you can but then you get paid pretty minimally like T Zeller. So it's a show me year for KO. That's what you get for showing up to KD's meeting with that hippie hair and the pink tie dye.
Also this is one of the first times I can remember it being like 2am EST and being here with Derren and Fresh. Darren is like bed time but Fresh...you're right behind me.
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