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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 30, 2016 17:10:37 GMT -5
I agree that we need to stay open to any and all opportunities. I just don't want Ainge to feel so compelled to make a move that he overpays. I have ZERO interest in becoming the Milwaukee Bucks of the 1980s, a really good team that had no chance to compete with the great teams of the league. When you look at who has won titles, it's usually teams who hit a home run in the draft (or, much less often, in free agency) So trading a shot at a superstar for a sure thing, good ballplayer, does not excite me - especially in a draft year like 2017, which is supposed to be one of the best ones in a long time. The slightly better is the enemy of the possibly great. If we make trades, unless it brings a true, prime of career superstar with years left on his contract, I do not want to part with the 2017 Nets pick. But again, like someone said, a bird in hand is better than 2 in the bushes. Drafted players are unknown commodities, as are draft picks. We HOPE they pan out, but most will never become superstars. The odds are very slim of anyone we draft to reach Westbrook's level. BTW, the 2017 draft may be loaded with talented players, but none seem to be the so-called "transcendent" player. It may produce a handful of All-Stars, but not the "star" of the stars. But then again, does Brad Stevens need to have a "superstar" on his team to win a championship? Is he a good enough coach to pull it off without a superstar? Maybe he doesn't. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 30, 2016 20:17:48 GMT -5
I think back to those Pistons championship teams that didn't have a super star as such but a lot of very good players and incredible chemistry. The Celtics have the chemistry and they just need some good players to become very good. They also need a rim protector/rebounder and a scorer to help Isaiah - Either one of the young guys needs to step up or we get a scorer in trade or free agency. I just don't think we need a "superstar" I think Brad can win a championship with very good players with a few all star level players. I think Brad is that good.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 30, 2016 20:41:21 GMT -5
As Fresh pointed out about that Pistons team, they were quite loaded. You had a dominant defensive big man in Ben Wallace, a talented all around big man in Rasheed Wallace, one of the league's top PG in Billups, an automatic mid range shooter in Rip Hamilton, and the ultimate glue guy in Tayshaun Prince.
There weren't many flaws with that team. Well balanced in all areas. They could attack from anywhere on the court.
Now, to replicate that team, you'd have to get potential All-Stars at every position.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 30, 2016 21:01:51 GMT -5
As Fresh pointed out about that Pistons team, they were quite loaded. You had a dominant defensive big man in Ben Wallace, a talented all around big man in Rasheed Wallace, one of the league's top PG in Billups, an automatic mid range shooter in Rip Hamilton, and the ultimate glue guy in Tayshaun Prince. There weren't many flaws with that team. Well balanced in all areas. They could attack from anywhere on the court. Now, to replicate that team, you'd have to get potential All-Stars at every position. potential all stars are not super stars though. I'm saying that we don't necessarily need a super star. There aren't many of them in the league these days. Some of our young guys could be potential all stars. And we could get a couple more potential all stars but we still don't need a so called super star or MVP caliber star. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 30, 2016 22:22:34 GMT -5
Yeah, that would be Danny's aim as the GM and Brad's goal as a coach -- to bring i. stars and develop home grown talent into stars so that every position will be manned by a star level player (or at least performing at that level, even though you may not be honored as one).
This is the only way we can conceivably challenge for the title without a superstar.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 30, 2016 22:27:07 GMT -5
When we look back at history, teams with superstars (players who are their generations' top 3) are the ones with the titles. Its a very strong case, so its not just coincidence.
And it makes sense because when only 5 players on a team can play at a time, it helps to have the best player on your side.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 31, 2016 0:02:15 GMT -5
I don't really feel like KG, PP, or Ray were superstars till they came together though. They were all stars and that's it. One thing that makes me fairly confident in us on some level is that a lot of players in this league are getting older and it's changing the shape of the league. They're getting older and run down. As a result certain locations aren't as desirable as they once were.
Dallas.
San Antonio
Houston
New York
Chicago
LA
Atlanta
These teams all have either recently retired players or players that are like 39 or players that have gotten hurt a lot.
So what's left?
Golden State? Well if you're a top free agent you can't go there. They have no cap room
Cleveland? Do they have cap room?
So then who is there? I think it's the next generation's turn soon. The new teams with potential mega stars and with possibly good youth and potential and possibly cap room
OKC
Boston
Orlando
Detroit
Minnesotta
Portland
Philly
Toronto
Those are the teams that are poised to be on the rise, and none of them are more poised than us. We have the promising youth (Smart, Rozier, Jaylen), cap space, all stars, productive vets people would love to play with, and mega assets coming our way. We have it all. No other team has that. I think we're more set up than any other team in the next 3 years. The major things that would really really help is for one or two of our young top draft picks to BREAK OUT. If that happens I think we rise in a big way sooner than later.
And one other thing. I'm ready to throw Marcus Smart at Kyrie, and Horford at K Love and a combo of Crowder and whoever at Lebron and see how that goes. I really am.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2016 0:38:50 GMT -5
Am curious to hear your guys' thoughts on whether its better to stand pat or go all in. Here's a question for you all -- Westbrook is possibly available; now, if not trade all in for this superstar, which superstar will you try to target down the line? Westbrook is about the only one that really excites me. He's a top 5 player. I'd also consider a cousins trade, but i wouldn't overpay. |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2016 0:42:36 GMT -5
And that pick could be good. Or the nets could go all in and get to .500. They do have a very rich owner.. Who I am sure is tired of losing. The Nets had a ton of cap room this year, and no one of value wanted to play for them. I don't see that changing next season either, where they'll have even less available cap room. That franchise is a dumpster fire right now. I'll still gladly place a bet about them losing at least 50 games next year  |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 31, 2016 0:46:49 GMT -5
Maybe this is going to be the new way of how players approach their next contracts. Instead of signing an extension years earlier, maybe they purposefully hit free agency, see what their best situation is and go from there.
Maybe loyalty goes out the door, and going to a team that gives you the best chance to win a ring is how it goes.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2016 1:03:36 GMT -5
Maybe this is going to be the new way of how players approach their next contracts. Instead of signing an extension years earlier, maybe they purposefully hit free agency, see what their best situation is and go from there. Maybe loyalty goes out the door, and going to a team that gives you the best chance to win a ring is how it goes. I think players could be scared of the upcoming 2018 lockout, so we'll see a lot more long term contracts signed this coming off-season. |
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 31, 2016 4:41:45 GMT -5
And that pick could be good. Or the nets could go all in and get to .500. They do have a very rich owner.. Who I am sure is tired of losing. The Nets had a ton of cap room this year, and no one of value wanted to play for them. I don't see that changing next season either, where they'll have even less available cap room. That franchise is a dumpster fire right now. I'll still gladly place a bet about them losing at least 50 games next year OK your 401 k against mine or not another word about it.. Lol Do you happen to recall when Danny was in that situation? And became a facilitator for teams taking cap hits for picks and good players? |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2016 10:58:09 GMT -5
OK your 401 k against mine or not another word about it.. Lol Haha OK then, i'm gonna assume that in reality you don't want to make any kind of bet then. Too bad CF00 was kicked out of here. He was always up for a pre-season bet. We picked up a few picks and one somewhat servicable player that I recall (Zeller), but nothing that special. And besides, with the cap raising, parlaying cap space for picks is hard to do now because pretty much every team has cap space now. Cap space isn't that valuable anymore. Unless they can somehow find some start next off-season that really has a burning desire to play for the Nets, this team is gonna be garbage for the foreseeable future. |
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 31, 2016 14:38:39 GMT -5
I have no idea how to respond to that post. Lol.
I hope its ok to disagree with something but that we all show respect.?
I think we should go all in.. The time is now. When someone says fireworks, they should honor that. If we don't honor our word what good is it?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2016 18:59:48 GMT -5
I have no idea how to respond to that post. Lol. CF00 was a dude that used to post around here back in the day. We used to talk about pre-season predictions and stuff. He got banned from the board, but he still apart of the celticsgreen fantasy b-ball league (may have won it last year?). It is. What in my previous post implied that it wouldn't be? That fireworks stuff is overblown to me. Wyc, while a great owner, gets a little too talkative sometimes. Thankfully he realizes he has no clue how to run a franchise, so he leaves it up to the professionals (Danny Ainge and Co.) |
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