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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2016 17:49:42 GMT -5
We need to upgrade the talent on our roster -- we have a bunch of overachieving role players, and one lone all star (though not a shoe in to make it every year), and not enough upper echelon players.
Now, if a trade offer lands on Danny's desk, a trade package that will bring us a stud, but we would have to sacrifice one of Smart, Crowder or Bradley, which one would you choose to give up?
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Post by jmost on Jul 19, 2016 18:12:48 GMT -5
Smart. The other two are good two-way players. Smart, at least so far, is one dimensional.
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 19, 2016 18:42:06 GMT -5
I think it depends upon what you get back. Sometimes its also dependent upon what the other team wants. Maybe they need a Bradley.
Then you have to ask yourself how easily you can replace the departing player.Not sure there are crowders or Bradleys out there esp so cheap.. So I would try to stay away from those two.
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 19, 2016 18:43:34 GMT -5
We need to upgrade the talent on our roster -- we have a bunch of overachieving role players, and one lone all star (though not a shoe in to make it every year), and not enough upper echelon players. Now, if a trade offer lands on Danny's desk, a trade package that will bring us a stud, but we would have to sacrifice one of Smart, Crowder or Bradley, which one would you choose to give up? Which stud_? And what else are we giving up? |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 19, 2016 19:31:51 GMT -5
That is a darn tough question. They are all very good. I was leaning Crowder, then I remember that he is locked up for 4 more years at a really cheap price. That is huge. I still think Smart is gonna make a leap offensively, so it's not an open and shut case for me. I think on just talent i'd reluctantly go with Crowder, but his contract makes me think twice about it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2016 20:13:51 GMT -5
Though he's the toughest defender on a team of outstanding defenders, for me it would be Smart.
Speed is a premium in this league, and Bradley gives us this. Plus, he's gotten better at curling off of picks and firing away, and his shooting has improved a bunch over the course of his career (now, if he can only learn how to draw fouls and get to the line, we'd have an 18 ppg on our hands).
Crowder is tough to give up because defenders like him who can guard the 2, 3 and the 4 are hard to give up.
I give Crowder the edge over Smart because he's taller, and is better at shooting the 3.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 19, 2016 21:07:29 GMT -5
I think I would trade Smart. As was said above, Smart is pretty much a defensive player without a strong offensive game. But then again, he could develop one. Jae is more valuable as can guard more positions and he can play the 4 in small ball very well. Bradley's offense has improved year to year and he is one of the best one on one defenders in the league.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2016 22:58:56 GMT -5
80% of Greemoacs voted that Smart is the odd man out.
Any of you wonder if Smart, sooner or later, will start to get called for more fouls with how physical he plays defense? Watching some of his defensive plays, especially when he's covering his man driving to the basket, Smart bumps a lot and uses his body a lot, and in today's NBA, those are usually fouls. The way Marcus is built, and the way he plays defense, bumping and harassing are part of his effectiveness. But once refs start taking that away from him, he may find it harder to defend smaller and quicker guards.
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Post by jrmzt on Jul 20, 2016 5:31:23 GMT -5
I actually think Bradley is the odd man out. Yes I like his 3 and D style of play very much but his only advantage in my eyes, over Smart, is the ability to more consistently make the 3. I think with more consistency and improvement in that one singular area, Smart becomes better than Bradley..as it is he is a better rebounder and distributor.
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 20, 2016 10:24:32 GMT -5
I actually think Bradley is the odd man out. Yes I like his 3 and D style of play very much but his only advantage in my eyes, over Smart, is the ability to more consistently make the 3. I think with more consistency and improvement in that one singular area, Smart becomes better than Bradley..as it is he is a better rebounder and distributor. Bradley is not a good point guard and undersized as a shooting guard.. But a better player.. Danny and brad have to make a plan as to who is the starting point.. Define roles.. Yes we played well as a team last year. To go to the next level we must learn our roles and dominate.. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 20, 2016 13:10:13 GMT -5
As far as Smart's foul trouble, last season I kept expecting him to be targeted by the refs due to his very obvious flops. It's a tough choice between Bradley and Smart. They both have their own niche on the team. I'm glad I'm not the one who actually needs to make that decision.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 20, 2016 13:17:24 GMT -5
I actually think Bradley is the odd man out. Yes I like his 3 and D style of play very much but his only advantage in my eyes, over Smart, is the ability to more consistently make the 3. I think with more consistency and improvement in that one singular area, Smart becomes better than Bradley..as it is he is a better rebounder and distributor. Bradley and Smart have limitations with the ball in their hands. Neither are natural Points, neither has good court vision, much passing ability, creativity with the ball, elusiveness, etc. Smart may handle the ball better, but that has more to do with how poorly Bradley dribbles. With that said, the both are defenders, but in different ways. Bradley is better against quicker guards (like the excellent job he did n Steph Curry), while Smart does better against bigger guards. Bradley is better about chasing after shooters around screens, and Smart is better and defending penetration dribbles. I think were they separate from each other is what they can offer on offense. Bradley is a bit more diverse because he's good at backdoor cuts, he can come off curls and he's a better spot up shooter. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 23, 2016 2:38:44 GMT -5
If a trade for Griffin goes down as being talked about, it will be Jae Crowder he gets moved. Though he's not a star, I really REALLY appreciate the guy, so it'll hurt me to see him go.
Now, lets discuss the logic of why Ainge would move such an important defensive piece like Crowder. Jae is the type of defender that is highly sought after these days -- a guy who can defend the 2, 3 and 4. Versatility is gold. So why would Danny trade him?
Sure getting Griffin shores up our frontcourt, but it leaves us without our valuable defensive middle linebacker.
Keep in mind we already lost Evan Turner, who left for Portland -- a guy who played heavy minutes at SF.
James Young most certainly won't help with the loss. Neither will RJ Hunter or Abdel Nader.
That leaves Jaylen Brown, an extremely raw rookie who does have an NBA ready body, and is supposedly able to hold his own on the defensive end as a rookie.
Does Danny think Jaylen can fill in for Jae, at least for a portion of the minutes that Crowder would normally play?
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 23, 2016 11:18:28 GMT -5
Griffin wasn't the same since his latest knee injury. He had bone marrow injection after the season. I don't know if that's going to be an ongoing problem but Danny better be very sure that it won't before giving up a lot of assets and players for him. I'd personally rather keep Jae and see what happens next year in free agency.
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 23, 2016 12:05:36 GMT -5
Griffin wasn't the same since his latest knee injury. He had bone marrow injection after the season. I don't know if that's going to be an ongoing problem but Danny better be very sure that it won't before giving up a lot of assets and players for him. I'd personally rather keep Jae and see what happens next year in free agency. I agree. Griffin sells tickets and t-shirts but how much can he produce ? |
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