Celtics top 5 draft busts since 1978

[cfoo]

I dont think Wallace was good iether. He didnt really have the experience to do that. He was like a guy on the internet to me and bad judges of what the celtics are trying to do in ways. He didnt really see the big picture. He was like Mel Kiper if he became a GM. He was out of his element at that time. He's more experienced now but that's still his experience. Danny Ainge more has a knack for other things aand seeing the bigger picture and what people are good at which is what a president/GM should be.

I dont think it was his fault though overly. He shouldnt have been the GM at that time.

[freshnthehouse]

Jun 21, 2014 22:07:27 GMT -5 cfoo said:

Jun 21, 2014 21:43:08 GMT -5 Roadrunner said:

Knight was drafted by LAL.

eja asked who travis knight was as a free agent. I think pitino traded for him or signed him as a free agent. I think he signed him as a free agent actually. can't remember exactly though but i thought he was pitino. pretty sure.

Yup, Pitino signed him as a free agent. He didn't resign vets like Rick Fox and David Wesley to insure that he'd have cap room to sign the like of Travis Knight. What a goober.

[freshnthehouse]

Jun 21, 2014 22:31:32 GMT -5 cfoo said:

I dont think Wallace was good iether. He didnt really have the experience to do that. He was like a guy on the internet to me and bad judges of what the celtics are trying to do in ways. He didnt really see the big picture.

I didn't care for Wallace when he was in charge, but looking back, with an owner like Thanksdad Gaston Jr, he really didn't have much of a chance for success. And it sounds like he wanted Parker in 2001, but Red overruled him. Wallace didn't have the clout at the time to stand up to Red. He was just in a bad spot.

[Roadrunner]

Wallace was like GM by title, but Gaston held all the cards. Gaston was exactly like Robert Sarver in PHX.

I thought Wallace lucked in while w/ MEM esp w/ the Gasol for Gasol trade. Who would have known Marc Gasol would become the player he is today when the trade happened?

[cfoo]

He wasn't a strong gm or president or leader at the time. He was more a scout. I think he's a good gm now though. He's done a pretty solid job in Memphis. DA is a great gm and different and to each their own.. He's willing to hurt himself for what he believes in too. DA is a super nice guy but you can see it in his face sometimes. His job is not easy. DA is very fair ultimately. He sees a lot of things. But trying to make the best decision is difficult.

Wallace Is a fair guy too. Nice guys. I never hated Wallace. He reminded me of a guy I used to work with. I look sort of like ainge and he looks sort of like Wallace. fat pudgy guy with a nice face. I think Wallace and ainge are both nice guys. Ainge is just a bit smarter. But smart is relative. Ainge had a heart attack just the same.

I think ainge is super fair and just trying to do the right things for everyone and cares but his job is taxing.

da and I have lived very different lives though. I wanted to be the gm of the Celtics when I was a kid. Ainge is the gm of the Celtics. I read things Stevens and Ainge did when they were younger and I used to do the same things. Stevens with tapes of games he would tape and watch. I also would keep lists of options and weigh one thing vs the other and was crazy like that. still am lol.

I was into computers. Ruined me. Good at troubleshooting though. Some people find thatpath and take it. I always went back and forth between computers and sports. Worked in IT always went back and forth. When I went to college it was between computer science or sports management. I didn't have the grades and the school I got into had a good computer s cience program so I did that.

we are all fallen heros in ways lol. Even danny ainge and bird. All these guys have their own crap. DA has a lot of responsibility. still would love his job.

I don't think Chris Wallace is stupid though. Just not his MO really. The dude went from creating a draft guide to becoming th e gm of the celtics whether he fell into it or not. he's now a s uccessful gm with the grizzlies. I respect him as a GM. He's become one of th ebetter GM's in the game imo. Not your typical path either. I think he's g otten better and better over time too. He's taken his experience and lumps and built with it. Much respect to him imo.

[cfoo]

If you think abut what Wallace did with that yearbook he published. He was a self made person. That's a lot of work and determination and everything in between. When people say things like what has this guy done that stuff kind of isn't right. People would trash Wallace on espn constantly and I don't know. Gave me a very poor view of the internet in general very early on. People said some nasty things to me too at the time and aren't that nice sometimes. should have stayed away and was building my own life but yet here I am.

[freshnthehouse]

Fun fact about Wallace: Pitino actually traded a 2nd rounder to the Heat so that they'd free him from his contract and he could come here. Don't see that happen very often.

[Roadrunner]

Jun 22, 2014 19:23:38 GMT -5 freshnthehouse said:

Fun fact about Wallace: Pitino actually traded a 2nd rounder to the Heat so that they'd free Wallace from his contract and he could come here. Don't see that happen very often.

Who was the player?

[freshnthehouse]

Jun 22, 2014 21:03:54 GMT -5 Roadrunner said:

Jun 22, 2014 19:23:38 GMT -5 freshnthehouse said:

Fun fact about Wallace: Pitino actually traded a 2nd rounder to the Heat so that they'd free Wallace from his contract and he could come here. Don't see that happen very often.

Who was the player?

It was Wallace. Guess I shouldn't have used a pronoun there! It has been fixed.

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Jun 18, 2014 23:19:57 GMT -5 cfoo said:

I'm pretty sure Travis Knight was pitino. Potatoe was wallace I think. Was Declerq Wallace?

I agree those were some messed up times but I always felt like Wallace was being forced into doing stuff by ownership.

Potatoe and Declerq were both Pitino as well. Anything from June 97 to early 2001 were all Pitino.

[cfoo]

yeah so Wallace wasn't that bad. he did some good things. it was the vin baker fiasco and that one draft where we took joe Johnson and kedrick. then forte. but forte was red's pick. Wallace wanted tony parker. kedrick was a bust but da has had busts too. joe Johnson good pick.

[cfoo]

Jerome moiso who picked him? not sure who Wallace's picks were. going to look who we drafted from 2001 to whenever ainge came in.

[cfoo]

we didn't have any picks really. troy bell was traded. songaila we didn't have a 1st round pick. he was picked like 50. moiso and that terrible draft were Wallace I think. but difficult to tell in s uch a short window.

[cfoo]

Brandon hunter was also a 2nd round pick. he seemed to like weird picks like that. kris clack too in the 2nd round. he definitely had some weird picks. like something out of a draft guide. the team didn't have any direction and Wallace wasn't really the man to give the team any either.

not my style for sure. did not like the moiso or hunter picks at all. liked kedrick brown. that was it from that era. but even kedrick it was like he was trying too hard for sleepers that weren't.

[freshnthehouse]

Moiso was 2000, so that was Pitino as well. The only two draft that Wallace was in charge of were 2001 and 2002(and we didn't have a first in 2002).