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Post by cfoo on Jun 18, 2014 17:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by cfoo on Jun 18, 2014 17:21:15 GMT -5
We've had worse picks than Ron Mercer I think? He was pretty soft though as a player. I always thought h e had the ability to be a really good defender and he was extremely soft as a player.
Fab Melo has got to be up there. Marcus Banks. There are a lot.
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Post by cfoo on Jun 18, 2014 18:51:23 GMT -5
Also maybe Chris Wallace wasn't that bad at the time. Read this tweet from Ian Forsberg I think it was "Chris Wallace wanted Tony Parker at 21 in 01 draft; Red Auerbach banged his cane on floor & said,"I want (Joe) Forte"
Always felt Chris Wallace was unfairly treated by the media and fans. He was forced into making moves by Paul Gaston at the time too. Vin Baker was one of those guys. Wallace has gone on to do well in Memphis. Ainge also kept him on for a while as a scout here.
Long time ago. I remember that well because it was when both me and Derren and Loy were on the espn boards at that time. I think fresh came from there too. Wallace was a whipping boy by a lot of people but I always stood up for him.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 18, 2014 20:56:38 GMT -5
Also maybe Chris Wallace wasn't that bad at the time. Read this tweet from Ian Forsberg I think it was "Chris Wallace wanted Tony Parker at 21 in 01 draft; Red Auerbach banged his cane on floor & said,"I want (Joe) Forte" Always felt Chris Wallace was unfairly treated by the media and fans. He was forced into making moves by Paul Gaston at the time too. Vin Baker was one of those guys. Wallace has gone on to do well in Memphis. Ainge also kept him on for a while as a scout here. Long time ago. I remember that well because it was when both me and Derren and Loy were on the espn boards at that time. I think fresh came from there too. Wallace was a whipping boy by a lot of people but I always stood up for him. How about Kedrick Brown, Chauncey Billups (I don't care what anyone says. He took FOREVER to get good. He was on his 4th team by the time he started producing and his career fg% is .415), trading Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers, Ron Mercer, Moiso, and our 2nd rounders didn't start doing anything till Ainge started picking. And who were the free agents? Tyus Edney? Travis Knight? Vitaly Potapenko? Andrew Declerq? The Pitino/Wallace era was a horrid one I can't forget fast enough. |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jun 18, 2014 21:19:02 GMT -5
Michael Smith and Joe Forte were really hard on this franchise. Not two of Red's shining moments.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jun 18, 2014 21:20:29 GMT -5
And who were the free agents? Tyus Edney? Travis Knight? Vitaly Potapenko? Andrew Declerq? Don't forget gems from the ML Carr like Pervis Ellison and Dana Barros. We were the kings of bad free agent contracts in mid 90s. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 18, 2014 22:04:21 GMT -5
How many of the top 5 were in the Pitino era? One of the worst GMs of all-time.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 18, 2014 22:05:08 GMT -5
Michael Smith and Joe Forte were really hard on this franchise. Not two of Red's shining moments. Joe who? The guy was a never was. |
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Post by cfoo on Jun 18, 2014 23:19:57 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Travis Knight was pitino. Potatoe was wallace I think. Was Declerq Wallace?
I agree those were some messed up times but I always felt like Wallace was being forced into doing stuff by ownership.
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Post by cfoo on Jun 18, 2014 23:26:56 GMT -5
Red was losing it about that time. That's when they blew up the old garden and built the fleetcenter. Still don't like the td garden too much. It's gotten better but it still has some pretty major issues.
Tommy is classically known for hyping up potatoe like the 2nd coming of christ as well.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jun 19, 2014 2:14:42 GMT -5
That top five is ridiculous. Montross over Michael Smith? Montross was no great shakes, but we did parlay him into a deal that ended up getting us Antoine Walker and Ron Mercer. Michael Smith was a complete dude, when we really needed to hit a home run to help reinforce those last few years of the big three era. Look back to the 90-91 season. We started that season 31-4. That team had a chance to make some serious noise. Now replace Michael Smith's useless carcass with that of Tim Hardaway, who was taken one pick after Smith. That's a team that could delay the Bulls title run by a season.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 21, 2014 21:43:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Travis Knight was pitino. Potatoe was wallace I think. Was Declerq Wallace? I agree those were some messed up times but I always felt like Wallace was being forced into doing stuff by ownership. Knight was drafted by LAL. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 21, 2014 21:44:06 GMT -5
That top five is ridiculous. Montross over Michael Smith? Montross was no great shakes, but we did parlay him into a deal that ended up getting us Antoine Walker and Ron Mercer. Michael Smith was a complete dude, when we really needed to hit a home run to help reinforce those last few years of the big three era. Look back to the 90-91 season. We started that season 31-4. That team had a chance to make some serious noise. Now replace Michael Smith's useless carcass with that of Tim Hardaway, who was taken one pick after Smith. That's a team that could delay the Bulls title run by a season. Didn't Montross get hurt tripping over a baby crib? Enough said. |
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Post by cfoo on Jun 21, 2014 22:07:27 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Travis Knight was pitino. Potatoe was wallace I think. Was Declerq Wallace? I agree those were some messed up times but I always felt like Wallace was being forced into doing stuff by ownership. Knight was drafted by LAL. eja asked who travis knight was as a free agent. I think pitino traded for him or signed him as a free agent. I think he signed him as a free agent actually. can't remember exactly though but i thought he was pitino. pretty sure. Was chris wallace the gm during that or was he a scout? I'm pretty sure it was pitino who made that move though. I dont remember how wallace became the gm either. It was after pitino left wasn't it? Pitino was president and wallace took over as gm when pitino left or was before. Red took back the president moniker from Pitino, and then gave it to danny ainge. I always though Wallace's run was more when we had Jim Obrien. Once DA came in Wallace became a scout again and then was hired by Memphis. Something along those lines. Wallace was kind of the fallout boy from the whole pitino debacle is how i remember it. He actually did pretty good and the team turned around somewhat after pitino left. But Paul gaston didn't want to pay people to get that team over the top, and they were forced to trade for Vin Baker took a bad gamble and DA was stuck cleaning up that mess. That's always how i saw it. Wallace wasn't an experienced GM. He was more of a scout or a player personell guy. I think he was a scout became the gm when pitino left then went back to being a scout. DA knew this and said that at the time that Wallace was a good scout who got kind thrown into the fire. I remember that well. He still isn't a great gm but is more experienced now and has done pretty well in memphis. I don't think he is a bad GM. |
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Post by cfoo on Jun 21, 2014 22:27:18 GMT -5
from wiki
"Jon Spoelstra gave Wallace his first NBA job with the Portland Trailblazers.[2] Wallace was Director of Player Personnel for the Miami Heat before coming to Boston. The Heat won a franchise-record 61 games in 1996-97, and Wallace is credited with discovering many of the Heat's players. His responsibilities included college and international scouting and searching for potential talent in the Continental Basketball Association as well as the NBA. Wallace was promoted to that position after four years as a scout for the Heat.
Before joining the Heat, Wallace worked in various scouting capacities for the Portland Trail Blazers, Denver Nuggets, Los Angeles Clippers, and New York Knicks. He also worked as a draft consultant for the United States Basketball League.
In 1981, while a student at the University of Kansas, Wallace founded Blue Ribbon College Basketball Yearbook, an in-depth preseason guide, which he edited and published until 1996. His work on the publication helped him build a reputation as an expert in the field"
"Wallace was hired by the Boston Celtics in 1997, with Miami receiving a 2nd-round draft pick to end his contract and allow him to take the new job, and became general manager for the 2000-01 season. "
Wallace's run at it was more with Jim Obrien. He wasnt really a GM though. His experience was in scouting.
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