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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 10, 2005 7:15:27 GMT -5
OK, this is unexpected for me. Here I thought that all was well with Doc and Pierce and that Pierce's newfound attitude this camp changed everything about him being shopped (at least until the earliest trading deadline). But hot off the press is that there are rumors of Pierce going to the Clippers for Maggette (other players could be involved from both teams, but these two are the main pieces). These are coming from a high ranking eastern conference official reported on ProBasketballNews (PBN.com), among other sources. Said that a deal was being worked on all summer and its beginning to heat up. Another source said that the trade was "probable", meaning a good chance of happening.
Add this to the reference 2 days ago where Peter Vescey said that Rivers wants Pierce out of Boston. Where did he get this all of a sudden, and why is a high ranking eastern conference official now saying that trade talks are heating up and the chances of it happening are probable?
Not too long ago, we heard of a similar trade rumor about Maggette and Chris Wilcox for Pierce and others, but that didn't go down (I think the Clippers turned it down because they didn't want to take some of the sallary Ainge was trying to dump on them).
Maggette is set to make 6.7 mil this year, 7.2 mil next year, 7.8 the following year, and 8.4 mil in his final year, which ends in '08/'09. Pierce is making 13.8 mil this year, 15 mil the following year, and 16.3 mil in his option year in '07/'08.
The guy named Gabe Kahn, who seems to have inside info directly from a source close to the Celtics, claims that Pierce is definitely on the market, but Ainge will only make a trade that is worth it. Well, could Ainge be settling on this since its looking like it'll be the best one he'll get? If Doc is asking Ainge to move Pierce NOW, will this push Ainge to settle for Maggette and Wilcox? I'm sure he direly wants Shaun Livingston included in this deal, but the odds of that happening are slim.
We'll wait to hear more about this new rumor and see if its got any weight to it. We've heard this all before, so we've got to be tough skinned about it. If anyone hears anything more, be sure to update this thread.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Oct 10, 2005 7:29:55 GMT -5
just wanted to post it but you beat me to it derren.
anyways here's a link as well:
Sources: Pierce-for-Maggette deal in works
By Sam Amico
Oct. 10, 2005
The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers have been discussing a trade that would send Celtics swingman Paul Pierce to the Clippers for swingman Corey Maggette, sources told ProBasketballNews.com late Sunday.
Other players are also said to be involved.
“They have been working on a deal for the majority of the summer, and it appears the talk is heating up,” a high-ranking Eastern Conference official said. “There’s no doubt the Clippers have been dangling Maggette, and Boston seems pretty tempted.”
Later, a Western Conference general manager responded to an e-mail from PBN.com that asked if he was aware of the possible deal.
“I don’t know specifics, but I do know the Celtics are listening to offers for Pierce,” the GM wrote. “I know it because they hinted about (trading Pierce) to us in July. .. (Other GMs) I’ve spoken with in recent weeks have told me the Celtics really like Maggette.”
Members of the Celtics and Clippers front offices did not respond to e-mails and phone calls seeking comment as of Sunday at midnight Eastern.
This is the second time in the past two months at least one source has told PBN.com that Boston was trying to deal Pierce to the Clippers. In August, an Eastern Conference scout said Celtics coach Doc Rivers “desperately wants Pierce out, but he and (Celtics GM Danny) Ainge seem to be at odds” over the matter. The source added that the Celtics were talking to the Clippers, but did not mention Maggette.
Meanwhile, the New York Post reported Sunday that the Clippers are entertaining offers for Maggette and forward Chris Wilcox.
When the Eastern Conference source was asked if he knew any more details of the discussions between Boston and L.A., he told PBN.com, “No. All I know is a couple of guys I trust around the league have told me about it, and that Pierce and Maggette are the main pieces.”
The Western Conference GM added, “… Obviously it is something that would have to involve more than Pierce and Maggette. I don’t usually read the Post, and from what I understand, it has a questionable reputation when it comes to NBA trades. But it would not surprise me if Wilcox was involved in the deal.”
Both sources said they felt a trade between the teams was “probable” -- although the Eastern Conference source said, “Don’t expect either team to admit it, and these things can indeed fall through. But they have been talking. Otherwise, it would mean a lot of people who I have never known to lie to me are suddenly lying.”
Pierce, 27, played in all 82 games last season and averaged 21.6 points, 6.6 rebounds and 4.2 assists for the Celtics -- who won the Atlantic Division before losing in the first round of the playoffs to Indiana. Pierce is entering his eighth year in the league, all in Boston.
Maggette, 25, averaged 22.2 points, 6.0 rebounds and 3.4 assists in 66 games last season. The Clippers finished 37-45 and failed to make the playoffs
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 10, 2005 7:41:13 GMT -5
Now that it appears the Clippers are dangling Maggette and shopping him around, they may be more inclined to make a deal on Ainge's terms, rather than the opposite way around. The ball may be in Ainge's court now.
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Post by eja117 on Oct 10, 2005 12:31:55 GMT -5
I guess getting a younger, happier player who makes half as much would be worth it espcially if we can dump something else or get something else like a 1rst rounder. Plus it's decent ammo to move up in a certain draft
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Post by greenblood on Oct 10, 2005 12:32:11 GMT -5
Hey, good to be back. I haven't posted in a while, cause really nothing exciting has happened. Anyways, I believe there is some substance to this rumor. If it does go down, it will be another typical Ainge transaction. By that, I mean, at first most of us will be shaking our heads wondering what the hell Danny was thinking. However, 2 or 3 months after the trade we will all see exactly why Ainge made the deal. I really do hate trading a superstar like Pierce away simply because of the risk. However, Maggette is a fine player, and I think he fits into the running game better than Pierce. Depending on who else is involved, this may also free up cap space to spend next summer.
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Post by esco33 on Oct 10, 2005 13:22:53 GMT -5
I'm kind of upset that these rumors continue to pop up even after there was supposed closure. Obviously Doc,and Danny cannot reveal their hand and say "oh yeah, we are looking to trade Paul", but this has to effect the team in a negative way, because he is the team's best player. It is a distraction. I do not care what Pierce or anyone says about it not bothering them to constantly hear there name in trade rumors. It has to bother someone, not knowing what part of the country they will be moving to the next day.
I am not in favor of trading Pierce, but I am at the point where if they definitely are going to trade him, then make a move already because these constant rumors cannot have a positive effect on Paul or on the team.
The timing is awkward, either make a move or not.
I understand Ainge is waiting for the best deal possible. There is no best deal possible. This may be the closest thing to it. You will not get equal value is for sure.
By the way, if this trade is going to happen, expect it to be a multi-player blockbuster with names such as Lafrentz, Blount, Allen, Banks, Borchardt, Bynum involved on our side. I think if this trade goes down Allen will be included in the deal. He sealed his fate with the Chicago incident, (just my opinion) and Green, Davis, West, Gomes, Reed, can cover backing up the 2 and 3.
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Post by Celtic17 on Oct 10, 2005 15:04:54 GMT -5
By the way, if this trade is going to happen, expect it to be a multi-player blockbuster with names such as Lafrentz, Blount, Allen, Banks, Borchardt, Bynum involved on our side. I think if this trade goes down Allen will be included in the deal. He sealed his fate with the Chicago incident, (just my opinion) and Green, Davis, West, Gomes, Reed, can cover backing up the 2 and 3. Multiple for sure. I'm just not sure which ones would be added, if a trade goes down. TA wouldn't be a major shock to me. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 10, 2005 16:46:19 GMT -5
Good to see you again, Greenblood.
I'm looking at this trade with mixed emotions. Its not like I think Pierce is untradeable, but his recent change of attitude leads me to want to give him another chance to see if he will play Doc's style without complaint.
Maggette is younger and more athletic, but can he put up points when we need him to?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Oct 10, 2005 16:58:08 GMT -5
I hope we can get a unprotected draft pick if this trade goes down.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 10, 2005 17:19:23 GMT -5
I wonder if we can get Shaun Livingston without giving up either Jefferson or Gerald Green?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Oct 10, 2005 17:36:42 GMT -5
Id offer them PP, Banks, Allen, and this years #1 (unprotected) for Maggete, Cassell, and Livingston.
I think Cassell has to be a part of any trade to make salaries work.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 10, 2005 17:49:14 GMT -5
Still wondering how much we can assume from these rumors. Are these sources reliable? I mean, there seems to be more sources than before who claim something is brewing between us and the Clippers--but does that make this legit?
I'm a bit worried that making a huge trade like this involving Pierce will shake up some of our younger players.
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Post by ferbo on Oct 10, 2005 17:59:00 GMT -5
I sure wouldn't do it. I don't see Magette leading the team the way I see PP doing. PP is a proven star who has been to the playoffs and is a pressure player.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 10, 2005 18:01:00 GMT -5
Here's an interesting thought: could this new Pierce rumor have anything to do with the combination of Ryan Gomes showing early signs of being a good player and Gerald Green showing signs of being a future star?
Are they making Pierce more expendable than ever before?
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Post by greenblood on Oct 10, 2005 20:23:17 GMT -5
We need to understand a couple of things about this deal if it goes down.
1. Like any trade Ainge has made (with the exception of trading Antoine away the first time) this deal will be made to save money. Looking purely at statistics, which I know don't tell the whole story, the Celtics would be getting about the same production for 7-8 million less per seaon.
2. As wonderful as Pierce's attitude is now, how long will it last, especially as they struggle early, which will happen with such a young team. Maggette, I believe, though not the one-on-one player Pierce is, would fit into the running game better, leaving the offense in the point guards hands, whoever that would be.
I know any deal involving Pierce is risky, but if Ainge is going to trade him, now is the time, because at 28 his value may be as high as its going to get.
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