Trade with the Grizzlies?

[freshnthehouse]

Attitude wise, I think that harping would be the kind of player that DA wants. Hard nosed, bust his butt on D, etc. Hed make our sm forward spot even more of a mess, but I do think hed fit in our system.

[meltinjohn]

The question is, who would you give up to get him? I mean he is a Danny Ainge type of guy after all.
I would probably give up Blount and Ricky to get Harp and Ostertag plus a 2nd rd pick.
The reason I say Ricky is because hes the only piece I can think of that is decent enough to dump off one of our teams bad contracts unless you want to give someone else who is better or someone too young that they haven't even proved themselves yet.

[freshnthehouse]

I dunno If Harp is worth giving up Ricky for. Id have to learn more about his skills/contract/injury history.

[DERRENMATTS]

Harpring does seem like a good fit because he does seem like an Ainge guy. He's tough, can hit the open jumpers, and plays the team game well.

But there's just nowhere to put him. He's going to replicate Justin Reed's and Ryan Gomes' role, both of whom will be fighting for time at the 3 and 4, where Harpring is essentially going to play. If he comes here, one of them is going.

[eja117]

I like Harp but I don't like bringing in older guys who would take minutes from younge guys that look good and need minutes and are cheaper

[Celtic17]

jambr380 said:

Now don't compare Walker to those other guys.

I'm sure Walker thinks he's in another class too.
Thank goodnesss he found a new home. ;D

[eja117]

touche c17. I hate it when you want to type a word from another language but can't cause of an english keyboard

[Jambr380]

I sure hope we don't get Ostertag!! That would make Scalabrine my second most hated Celtics and Raef would be down to three...

As for Harpring, Ricky is MUCH better. He had one decent year and has been injured besides that. He is good, but not amazing. I swear you guys all think the reason someone is hard working is because they are white.

[freshnthehouse]

I hate to quote Toby Keith*, but "Whoa-a-a...easy now." It think youre being a little unfair there. I assume you are basing this on people's opinion on Scalabrine and Harpring on this board. But I think youd be hard pressed to find any report on those two guys and not see the words 'hard-nosed' or 'hustler' mentioned. It basically a general consensus on those two guys.

I do believe that you hear the hard working definition thrown towards white players more often than you do with black players. IMO, people come to this conclusion because of disproportinate amount of black players to white players. So when someone sees a white guy at this level, they assume(and in most cases wrongly) that he mustve gotten there with hard work moreso than talent.

Still, there have been a lot of non-white players known for hard work. Eduardo Najera, Buck WIlliams, Bo Outlaw, Michael Cage, Ben Wallace, etc, etc are/were known nostly for their hard-nosed play.

A lot of time, players that are labeled hard workers are often players that are limited offensively. I think that this comes from people assuming superstars are so supremely gifted that they dont have to put much work in, which is totally false. No one can tell me that there were many players that worked harder than Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Karl Malone. They just dont get their props because of the #s they put up.




*who am I kidding? I love quoting Toby Keith.

[Celtic17]

jambr380 said:

I swear you guys all think the reason someone is hard working is because they are white.

Not "ALL" of us pit race vs race.
Please, refrain from labeling posters in this manner. Thank you, in advance...

[eja117]

I am exhalting both jambr and fresh. I agree with a good handful of both of what they said (although I disagree a little too) and think it took at least a small amount of guts to say it. Plus i probably talk more race than anyone here so i gotta take it when it comes the other way.
It seems like the internet is the only place you get anything even resembling a good race dialogue, probably cause of the anonymity.
I also want to say I like Scoop Jackson, but don't like Steve Smith. I'm ok with Jason Whitlock, and no white reporters talk about race

[Jambr380]

I do agree with the fact that white players do have to work harder to get to this level than black players (in general) and that is why they are labled in that sense (as hard workers). White players often do "look" like they are working harder, anyway- oftentimes it is the bigger guys with bad knees that get this label. It is not too long ago, I heard people say this about Raef. Honestly, I would just rather acquire players with the ability than need a little attitude adjustment than a player that works hard that has limited ability. Players mature, but they don't get more athletic. I am in no way trying to make a race issue out of it, though.

[eja117]

some players seem to be working harder when they are playing better, but i'm not sure if they really are. Like i thought montross was working hard his first year then not after that. i'm not sure if he really worked harder his first year or not. some guys seem to work harder in the summer where the competition isn't as good, but i'm not sure they are working harder or not. maybe they just look faster cause everyone is slower there

[Roadrunner]

The phrase "hard worker" in the NBA is similiar to the phrase (when player is being drafted) "he is a winner" in college.

[meltinjohn]

Well 2 players you cannot tattoo "hard worker" on are Blonut and Curry and other guys like that. Traylor can be in that category I suppose. His really obese body shows he never works out. The shorter centers or pf's tend to be hard working (for centers, big ben, antoine carr, michael cage and for pfs, barkley, brand, rose etc.......)