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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 22, 2005 23:10:42 GMT -5
I just got a feeling that during the pre-season we will hear all of this talk about Blout looking good in practice, and the next thing you know he will be starting. And it will de a disaster. And then around Christmastime, Big Al jumps in and pushes Raef to Center.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 22, 2005 23:27:48 GMT -5
I see Reaf at 5 and Al at 4 from the start.
I hope MBlount comes out of his funk.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 23, 2005 0:26:27 GMT -5
I just hope blonut is gone period end of story.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 23, 2005 0:36:00 GMT -5
I wish we could talk Chicago into taking Blount and Toine for Davis. Chi is getting more talent, but we are getting a valuable contract in return. That could net us a little something at the deadline.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 23, 2005 1:34:26 GMT -5
I hope so. Anything to get Blount out so even to sign and trade Walker, I would still do it for that alone. At least Davis despite his age "trys" unlike Blonut.
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Post by celtics4ever on Jul 23, 2005 7:53:32 GMT -5
I never have liked Blount either. How can a guy that tall and that built not get more boards? I don't care for the high post power forwards unless they can drive. Blount is really a high post player not a back to back player. He has a nice touch but it kills us on the boards cause he is always out of position.
It really depends on how the offense is set which kind of PF we use I think. If we are going to have a perimeter based offense then we can get by with a less offensive PF and a tough rebounding type. Last few years our bigs have been used a lot in the high post. I would like to see more low post offense when we can do it. My reasons are this: 1) It higher percentage shots 2) better offensive rebounding and 3) possibility of an inside/outside game. We 've not had a real good low post scorer since maybe McHale.
I am not so sure AJ is ready to start. But he appears to be a low post PF which is a step in the right direction in my book. It might be good to let him come off the pine and get confidence versus the scrubs another year. But he may be ready, its hard to tell from the summer league games.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 23, 2005 18:01:10 GMT -5
The way it looks, C4Ever, Rivers is still going to use the PF and C's in the high post. That's why Ainge mentioned that he wants to get bigs who can shoot the ball. Ideally, I'd prefer having my big men in the low post and guys cutting and weaving in front of them (the way it was in the past with Malone, Olajuwon, Ewing, etc.).
When Jefferson receives the ball in the high post, after he makes a pass, he rushes down into the low blocks and posts up his man. The pass from the high post may just be a way for him to get better positioning in the low post.
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Post by celtics4ever on Jul 23, 2005 19:23:19 GMT -5
I liked Red's plays which were in use even in the eighties and they worked fine. Side entry pass to the low post with weak side rebounding.
Rivers, never played with real dominant post player except maybe Malone near his twlight. I think it would be better to have a center in the high post feeding AJ in low post. AJ would cut across recieve the ball and make his move. The passer rushes down from the high post and you have two rebounders. I have never been a fan of high post basketball as it takes bigs who can pass really well. We don't have a Bill Walton passer in our bigs. But I think you coach to what you have and not a system. That is what killed Pitino.
Everyone ought to be able to shoot IMO its part of being a professional.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 23, 2005 21:17:24 GMT -5
Yeah, they should. Having guys who can make jump shots at all positions makes it easier to score. Perkins says this is the single most important thing he has been working on this summer. I guess Ainge and Rivers brought this to his attention and he's making it a top priority.
Blount was bad at the high post because he never bothered to rush down into the blocks after he made the entry pass, or the side pass to a wing player. He'd just stand around and wait for the kickout near the FT line, and once it went to him, he made sure he took every opportunity to shoot the ball. This almost always left him out of the picture for an offensive rebound. And what good is a 7 foot Center if he can't give us some offensive putbacks?
Rivers needs to make sure his big men are quickly rotating to the weak side of the basket once they pass the ball.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 23, 2005 21:28:22 GMT -5
Myself, I don't feel that Jefferson has to be a high post player. I think he can be a 10-15 foot shooter and still be good. This is why I wanted a guy like Nene last year.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 24, 2005 3:24:00 GMT -5
Well, if Jefferson is shooting it from 10 - 15 feet out, that's about where the high post passes come from--near the free throw line, slightly toward the elbow. Jefferson is good because he makes the entry pass and then he cuts to the basket on his way to the weak side. And he's running with his hands expecting a quick pass as he cuts through the lane, which is what all the guys should be doing. If he learns how to shield his man on his back while cutting, he can get the ball near the basket in stride for a close up shot at the basket.
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Post by celtics4ever on Jul 24, 2005 7:15:44 GMT -5
We got to board and that means move to the hoop. It affords potential rebounds. This allows second chance shots and also if you rebound the other team can't run the break.
One thing a player should never do is pass and stand. Always cut to the hoop or move you may be more open if they drop down or the like. The old C's had that great moving without the ball. It still works look at how Stockton and Malone made a career of it. Why we don't do it is beyond me and basides its beautiful basketball.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 24, 2005 10:12:50 GMT -5
Pass and stand is what Blount learned how to do. Jefferson went to a totally different school that taught him the exact opposite. Tony Allen went to the same school as Jefferson, in this regard. These 2 guys are our best players who move after they pass the ball.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 24, 2005 17:45:52 GMT -5
I would like Perks to start at center vs. Blount. Many reasons. Most have been covered so far. Blount, for what he is worth, is a player to come off the bench. Definitely not a starter.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 24, 2005 18:25:44 GMT -5
Foul trouble will be the main concern. Can we keep Mt Perk and Big Al in the game?
This needs to be the focus of our coaches right now, IMO. I see these guys as starters, if they learn how to stay on the floor.
We all know how the Refs give nothing to the kids. They might need to find different ways to defend. A sharp shiv come to mind. ;D
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