Helping Rondo

[cfoo]

Hey like I said I'd love to see more of perk. But I also don't think it's that out of the ordinary what Doc is doing as far as the lineup is concerned. I also think if Perk does a better job he will play more in those spots.

Perk is still learning and is not completely there yet. He isn't this great rebounder yet. He's a good rebounder and a mass of a man. He has some moves around the rim but he needs to do a better job finishing and shooting the ball. He also needs to stop playing football out there at times and keep his defense in check. He's doing a good job and better than the past but he still has a lot to learn.

The fact he's starting and gettnig major minutes is a positive. And people are complaining he is being taken out at times. He's got a lot to learn. The fact he's starting and people are saying doc doesnt play young guys, but we need to bring in a vet pg and a center when we have perk and rondo getting minutes and learning is counterproductive and an oxymoron of sorts. Who is it that really doesnt want the young guys to play? You or Doc?? Doc is fine with teh team and so am I and so are most of the players. Players are getting the time they should and we have room to give Pruitt soem minutes and get some experience too and you want to bring in a vet pg and center. We have good depth and vets backing these guys up. We have pollard and baby and scal and posey, and house and ta and pruitt. We have good depth. We have a good starting lineup and the players that should be playing are playing. It's going to pay off in the long run, the more experience these guys get without forcing the issue.

[runrondo]

Now it's pointless to look at the fact they're playing..This is Perk's fifth year( now you can say he wasn't ready blah blah but our team sucked when he in his second year and he was strugglin for minutes)Like I said he has no chance to screw up their playing time now because our roster is limited and there's only so many variations of lineups you can do but bringing a backup vet PG or Center won't mess up with their minutes- it'll just give more rest to the Big 3 and just more depth in case..A backup PG will only come in when Rondo usually comes out same with Perk so how does that affect their minutes unless Doc changes it?...Right now we play with technically no "PG"(Even though Pruitt CAN do the job, i know it but he won't get much time this year..Don't say it's because he's not ready so we're missing a spot and Pollard isn't cutting it for the vet Center backup we need so you can add two new players and not affect their minutes...

[cfoo]

I don't want to change it and neither does Doc. That's the point. listen to doc and the players in interviews and press conferences. They are happy with our roster as it is, and so am I. This team seeing some ups and downs is not out of the ordinary. It's not the pg situation that is causing the issue. Rondo being banged up doesn't help, but TA, HOuse, Pruitt Allen have all stepped up when Rondo has been hobbled for the most part.

Perk is starting and getting 25 mpg. Where is the issue? Were people expecting he would get more than that? He could get 30 eventually but 25 mpg is pretty good. If we bring in a vet at either position it's just going to cut into those minutes. Why would we want to do that? Every player is about where they should be as far as minutes at thsi point in their career.

There needs to be room for Baby to get more minutes as his playing time increases. Same with Pruitt. Why would we bring in a vet when we have players on our roster that will get those minutes that are probably better than any vet we would bring in. I'd rather give 5-10 minutes a game to pruitt later in the year than the 20-30 minutes Cassell would command. Pruitt is a better fit than Cassell. Baby is better than any backup center we would bring in. TA is also going to get more minutes as he gets healthier. Our roster is fine for now.

[runrondo]

Yeah i watch their interviews..They go to some interview class apparently and Doc brought Rondo with him last game..The guy looked so tense lol...I enjoy PP and KG's interviews tho they try to hard to get laughs but Doc's don't bring out anything informational or repeat the obvious...If a team had problems would they air it out? Probably not..But yes, we have handled Rondo being out nicely and would've even better if Pruitt would get more minutes rather than depend so much on House who is the worse at PG of the TA, Ray, And Pruitt combination...IMO of course..

[eja117]

cf00 said:

There needs to be room for Baby to get more minutes as his playing time increases. Same with Pruitt. Why would we bring in a vet when we have players on our roster that will get those minutes that are probably better than any vet we would bring in. I'd rather give 5-10 minutes a game to pruitt later in the year than the 20-30 minutes Cassell would command. Pruitt is a better fit than Cassell. Baby is better than any backup center we would bring in. TA is also going to get more minutes as he gets healthier. Our roster is fine.

I disagree. Webber is better than Baby. It would have been a terrible mistake for the Patriots to have decided not to bring in Moss so Chad Jackson could get more plays. If a vet can beat out a rookie or near rookie and help us win, whereas the youngin can't I'm fine with that. At this point I almost see no use for Powe or Pruit on the team, just like there was no use for Brandon Wallace. I'd trade em quickly for someone who could actually help, and while we may not need the help we could definitely use it, as long as it's actually help. Gary Payton isn't help unless he wants to join the coaching squad

[cfoo]

There are obvious exceptions Eja. Webber is intriguing but who knows what he can do at this point in his career. If he's an impact player than sure. Obviously you add that guy. The same goes for Cassell. Like i said it's more about adding a player that can really help us, vs filling an actual need. Our roster is fine for now until a player like that comes along. I'm not saying we stick with what we have no matter what here. GP=Eh. Webber, Cassell are intriguing. Do we need them? It depends. It depends on what those guys have left and it also depends on what the guys we currently have do and how those guys would fit.. I'm sure there are other players out there as well that might fit in.

[eja117]

All that a player needs to be able to do is beat out a guy we have. We also have to be able to afford it. Those situations are few and far between but there's probably a few out there, but I sorta think teams will be unlikely to help us. Plus if Mchale helps us one more time, like with say a Gomes for Pruitt and Powe trade, they'll shoot him and file some sort of lawsuit against the two teams for collusion

[eja117]

kofanis0880 said:

Joe Forte.

That's not funny. Well it sort of is

[birdie]

does anybody here something new for a trade rumor for Celtics

[DERRENMATTS]

For as long as Doc has been here, I have wanted him to play the younger guys, but he refuses to (though eventually he does warm up to them). There was the time when Blount and Raef dominated the minutes, even though Perk and Jefferson should have been getting a lot of playing time. Last year, I was screaming for Doc to move Delonte out of the PG spot and give Rajon the playing time. Tony Allen exploded last season when he got playing time, but it wasn't until Pierce went down with his injury that Tony got his playing time.

Powe produces when he's on the court, but for whatever reason, he's a forgotten man on the roster.

[runrondo]

cf00 said:

Perk is starting and getting 25 mpg. Where is the issue? Were people expecting he would get more than that? He could get 30 eventually but 25 mpg is pretty good. If we bring in a vet at either position it's just going to cut into those minutes. Why would we want to do that? Every player is about where they should be as far as minutes at thsi point in their career.

There needs to be room for Baby to get more minutes as his playing time increases. Same with Pruitt. Why would we bring in a vet when we have players on our roster that will get those minutes that are probably better than any vet we would bring in. I'd rather give 5-10 minutes a game to pruitt later in the year than the 20-30 minutes Cassell would command. Pruitt is a better fit than Cassell. Baby is better than any backup center we would bring in. TA is also going to get more minutes as he gets healthier. Our roster is fine for now.

Perk could play for 38 minutes but what's the point if he isn't playing at the crucial parts of the game where we could use his help most? Like i've said many times, i don't want another vet PG unless it's Cassel(he's only one who can really make a big impact) mainly because i feel Pruitt is better than everyone else out there except for Cassel...How do you know Cassel is a worse fit than Pruitt? What if Cassel is better? Don't you want to get better? Cassel for a year and then unleash Pruitt next year wouldn't be half bad either..Also, how would bringing in another vet big guy hurt Perk's minutes? Why can't Doc fit in another big vet for some of Pierce's and Ray's minutes with the second unit and let Posey play SF instead of forcing him on mismatches agaisnt PFs... or those 8 or 9 mintues Scal and Pollard get when they play because that's how much mintues they average this year(they've only played 20 games)...Of course the problem is who to get but i'm not saying we NEED to do this, it would help because we do have a bit of a height problem..Big Baby is not a big guy and SHOULD NOT be our back up CENTER...He's 6-8ish with short arms i hope to God he won't be our back up center because he will get slowed down easy when it matters most(playoffs when people actually prepare for everybody) though i think you just meant big baby as the back up PF or guy down low..But yes, i agree we don't NEED to do anything but that doesn't mean we can't suggest anything because we're far from perfect and Doc is far from perfect on his rotations/lineups and yes give it time but you can never know how much better(or worse) you'll get by adding more depth till you try and i don't think we're complete LOCK for the championship though we do have a GREAT chance but i can understand if you feel we should let it be but don't you welcome the idea of a vet PG(not payton or those other scrubs) or a vet big guy if he truly can make a difference which i believe Cassel can and maybe a guy like P.J. Brown but the big guy is probably an issue we'll deal with next year...

[runrondo]

I don't understand how adding one big guy could drastically change any body's crucial minutes

Look, I'll put an X for whoever we could add at the Big spot

Pg Rondo 30 Avg. this year is 31
Sg Ray 34 Avg. this year is 38 Too much for him anyway
SF Pierce 35 Avg. this year is 39
Pf Garnett 35 Avg. this year is 35
C Perkins 25 Avg. this year is 25


2pg House 18 AVg. this year is 20(inflated since rondo hurt)
Sg Tony 17 Avg. this year is 17
Sf Posey 18 Avg. this year is 23
Pf Big Baby 15 Avg. this year is 12
C X Center 13

Of course this wouldn't be the exact lineups out every time and sometimes one of the big 3 would be in with them and such but this is the basic outline..

Same could be said if we add Cassel and it would fit for Doc's small ball obsession

Pg Rondo 30
Sg Ray 34
SF Pierce 35
Pf Garnett 35
C Perkins 25


Cassel 16
House 15
Tony 17
Posey 18
Big Baby 15

Pruitt will obviously not get minutes with Cassel but he doesn't get ANY when Rondo's healthy so how can you say we're taking away minutes from him?? I want Pruitt to play(you didn't even know how much i want this) and i want him to play even when Rondo is healthy(House is very streaky and could be even more affective running around without the ball, look how quick he can shoot and catch while Pruitt gets some decent time) But if we add Cassel we all know Cassel can really break a defense down/can hit a jumper/ and will try on defense and has played with Garnett..Simply, Cassel is better than what we have as the second option for Point right now but it won't make me mad what so ever if we don't get him as long as Pruitt can start getting the chances to participate...I think i'm making sense now ;D

[cfoo]

I completely disagree. I just don't see it from doc that he doesn't play young players. He has played the young guys ever since he's been here. Another day another win. The bench stepped up without rondo. Ray allen is playing just fine. TA playing great off the bench. Powe got some much needed time, so did Pruitt. I think this team is doing fine and 100% of the criticisms aimed towards doc and the roster are completely unjustified. Raef and blount were much more productive then jefferson and perk their rookie years. We needed someone to fill the gap for a year. That's all that was..... Both Perk and Jefferson were not ready. I've explained this before. If you watched them you'd know that because they weren't. Rondo wasn't ready last year either. Not playing a player major minutes his rookie year and giving them a year to learn is a normal progression and it's a good way to bring young players along. Jefferson was a total wuss and scared and couldnt stay out of foul trouble and his defense was terrible his rookie year. He was weak around the rim and was completely overmatched. We tried to play those guys. Perk was the same thing and was a foul machine. They still got miutes. Rondo got 20-25 minutes his rookie year. He's getting 35 his second year. There is 0 justification to your reasoning. Perk and Jefferson's miutes have increased every year and as they play well they got more minutes. Both players had setbacks Jefferson his second year with the ankle injury and perk last year with the plantar fascitis.

[eja117]

I definitely think Doc plays young guys just to see what they can do, plus sometimes he needs them or has no choice. I think he was playing Blount when it looked like he'd actually be good and Raef when he wasn't such a bad player, and maybe he realized he played those guys too much and if you're going to play a cruddy vet or a cruddy youth, play the cruddy youth, cause at least he has an excuse for being cruddy and might get less cruddy with experience

[runrondo]

cf00 said:

They still got miutes. Rondo got 20-25 minutes his rookie year. He's getting 35 his second year. There is 0 justification to your reasoning.

Umm..Don't you remember we tanked last year? Rondo started most of the games because of injuries and the fact we were a lost team..He played meaningless games..This year who else do we have? Only other point guard on our roster is Pruitt? This doesn't prove anything about Doc

And about the youngsters not being ready...so we should play a veteran on the decline rather than a timid/raw youngster who will benefit from being exposed to the toughness of the NBA?
Doc has played the youngster minutes, your right..But it's not because it's his main decision or because he wants to..It's usually because our roster is shallow or injuries...