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Post by meltinjohn on Apr 10, 2005 2:41:47 GMT -5
Just keep dreaming on about getting Felton and moving up. But if it could happen, it would take 1 of this teams future pieces and could be decent so I decided to think of some options on who to trade to get a pick in range for him or just get him already drafted by that team.
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Post by Rondo to Posey on Apr 10, 2005 2:46:53 GMT -5
I guess I would give up Delonte if it would get us Felton, for only West and a second. That would have to be considered a good deal, that would mean a late first and a second becoming a top notch PG prospect. I love delonte, but I just don't see the upside that felton has in him. Felton could be an amazing PG.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 10, 2005 3:19:18 GMT -5
I voted Other. To be specific, I'd give up Banks and a second rounder to get Felton. Felton's stock did move up after UNC won the national title. He was already a sure fire top 20 pick--now he's probably going to go higher.
But, Jameer Nelson (roughly about the same height as Felton) was the National Player of the Year and went to the Final Four with St. Josephs, but his stock fell mightily. Prior to last year's draft, Jameer tested his stock at the Chicago predraft camp, where he was thought to be a second round pick. He went back to St. Joes to improve his stock--which he did. Many thought he'd be going in the lottery last year, but pick after pick, Jameer sat disgustingly as players who had less accolades than him were taken before him.
Jarret Jack is likely going to stay at GTech another year, and it doesn't seem like Chris Paul is going to come out this year, either. If this happens, this is not going to be a PG's draft like last year (Telfair, Livingston, Nelson, West, Devin Harris, Sasha Vujajic, Beno Udrih, etc.). Felton's stock may be higher because of this.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Apr 10, 2005 4:21:57 GMT -5
i say west and second. my favourite is blount and two seconds btw ;D
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 10, 2005 19:51:26 GMT -5
The difference between Nelson and Felton is that Nelson went to a Div I-AA college, and Felton went to a Div I -A college. St Joe's was a fell good story, but couldn't even win their own league (yes,the patethic A-10). Based on their 1 blemish, they were given an easy path to the championship, but could not deliver.
Felton on the other hand, led his team to the national title. True, he was surrounded by better talent, but he sealed the deal.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 10, 2005 23:03:36 GMT -5
The difference between Nelson and Felton is that Nelson went to a Div I-AA college, and Felton went to a Div I -A college. St Joe's was a fell good story, but couldn't even win their own league (yes,the patethic A-10). Based on their 1 blemish, they were given an easy path to the championship, but could not deliver. Felton on the other hand, led his team to the national title. True, he was surrounded by better talent, but he sealed the deal. GM's take divisions into consideration, but they don't determine their opinions on that. Chris Kaman played for Central Michigan, but he still went in the lottery. Kevin Martin played for West Carolina but still was a first round pick. David West played in the A-10 also, but was picked 18th. They determine your skill level and project to see if you can play at a high level in the NBA. I think Jameer Nelson went lower than most predicted because he's not tall enough and he has rather short/average length arms. He's definitely got skills and he's a tough nosed player. I like him a lot and I think he can have a Damon Stoudemire type career. But I don't think he fell because he played for the Atlantic 10. If anything, helping to lead St Joe's to the Final Four should have propelled his stock higher. And that's why I have hopes of landing Felton with a mid first round pick. I don't think he'll last past 15, if he even gets that far. |
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Post by meltinjohn on Apr 11, 2005 4:09:35 GMT -5
What is questionable is to why nobody selected the Tony Allen option to trade felton for. If hes not the one, Banks at least should be. I am all for keeping West. I don't feel he will be as bad a disappointment as some may think. And I also saw shades in Allen too that could be questionable in the future which I didn't see for West. I say move Allen. This way, West can be a 2 and Banks can be a solid backup and it would enable Danny to possibly pick up another played similar to what Tony Allen is like in rd 2. Hodge perhaps? Although I heard Hodge was supposed to be a lotto pick.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Apr 11, 2005 5:29:48 GMT -5
tony allen is way too valuable to be given away...
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 11, 2005 20:13:29 GMT -5
Kaman went high because he was a center. Plus he had a good tournament I believe.
Nelson, he had good stats on an average team, in a poor conference. The comittee gave St Joe's a free ride in the tournament, based on their 1 loss record. The only team they played that was decent in the tournament was Okla St, and they lost.
Nelson is a good player. But to compare him to Felton, not even close.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 12, 2005 2:46:12 GMT -5
Kaman went high because he was a center. Plus he had a good tournament I believe. Nelson, he had good stats on an average team, in a poor conference. The comittee gave St Joe's a free ride in the tournament, based on their 1 loss record. The only team they played that was decent in the tournament was Okla St, and they lost. Nelson is a good player. But to compare him to Felton, not even close. Oh, no RR. I have never said Jameer is comparable to Felton in terms of their PG play. I'm sure you know how I feel about Felton by now. What I am basing their comparison on is their similarities in draft stocks. Felton should be a top 10 pick, much like how many thought Nelson should have been last year. But because Felton is a short PG, he could slip a little, again, like Nelson. BTW, Meltin, Hodge will be lucky to get taken in the first round, IMO. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 12, 2005 12:20:16 GMT -5
Nelson, I think what made him fall so much was the glutton of high school players and somewhat foreigners in the draft. Most looked at him and said, OK finished product, 4-year college player. Also, I believe he is shorter than Felton.
Felton will drop, because their are alot of early entry college entries. Plus not everyone in the lottery needs a PG.
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Post by meltinjohn on Apr 14, 2005 4:09:34 GMT -5
tony allen is way too valuable to be given away... Way too valuable? Way too debatable. Fans tend to hype guys up and they find someday, they are sorry they did so. Just keep that in mind. Examples: Brandon Hunter, Jiri. And as far as Felton being much better than Nelson, nobody can determine that. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 14, 2005 10:22:08 GMT -5
Point well taken, Meltin. I was pretty high on Hunter, and I had a liking toward Jiri and both are non factors for the teams they play for now.
Same could happen for Tony Allen. His future isn't a bright as Al Jefferson's. He's still a question mark because he doesn't have a jumpshot. Once he develops one, his value will no doubt escalade.
I'd like to hold onto Allen because he's a terrific athlete and I see a good career in front of him. He just needs to keep working hard and improving his game and he'll be fine.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 14, 2005 21:33:42 GMT -5
If we are going to move up, and select Felton, then it would make sense to part w/ a PG if we had too.
Hunter was the last pick of the 2nd round, and Jiri was traded each year after he was drafted. At least w/Allen, he bring something to the table right away. Though, K Brown, wow was that guy hyped up. His agent sure BSd the Celtics on that draft.
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Post by meltinjohn on Apr 15, 2005 0:08:53 GMT -5
Forte also looked ok at first. Had that nice jumpshot from the corner baseline. Hes in the nbdl now, maybe if hes back in the nba, hell straighten out and be that man he was projected to be but maybe not likely also.
I say Al J is the stud. Allen a lil overhyped. West not as big as Al J but will live up to more celtic green hype than Allen. Id rather move banks if it be for Felton. A team would bite on that perhaps if a 2nd rounder was also included.
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