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Post by cfoo on Aug 7, 2007 20:18:41 GMT -5
I was not overly thrilled with this trade when it first happened. I know a lot people are like we got KG how can you not like it and I understand that. But we had a nice young core of players. I know we are taking our shot with Pierce and his window was limited but we could have done that with the young core of players we had imo. I think people underrated the talent level on this team. It's a shame because we lost quality talent in Jefferson, Gomes, West, Green, Telfair. We got KG and Allen in return but we did give up a ton especially with the picks. If Ratliff gave us anything for hte next year or so that would have been a plus as well. Plus Wally. I understand Ainge was going for it and taking a shot and we kept some of our young players, but he gave up a lot. As this plays out over time we might find ourselves wishing we kept some of these guys as we see how they do around the league. It just seems to me the more I think about this trade it does make us relevant again, but I tend to think there were better ways to do that. I understand ultimately we'd have to parlay some of these players in better talent and Garnett and Allen are probably as good as we could do in that regard. I just sort of disagree with doing that. We should have picked our spots more wisely instead of going all in.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 7, 2007 20:45:23 GMT -5
Second thoughts are for wussies like Custer. Sorry I just wanted to say that.
To answer your questions hells no.
With our youngings a 6th seed would have been good. We would have been waiting at least 3 years. Now we get closure and a chance to be one of the best teams in the league for 5 years. Then if you love young guys we can start over then.
When you see Telfair buried behind Foye and McCants, and GG playing no d, and Gomes competing for mins with Brewer and Craig Smith and Ratliff play 2 games and Al J get beat up on for 3 years by every experienced big in the west till Oden starts beating on him you'll like this trade better. WIth no PP to take pressure of him and with no Rondo or even Delonte to pass to him AL will have a tough year. He'll put up decent numbers but it won't be easy and he will NOT be an all-star for years in the west. Especially if Jermaine O'Neal gets traded out there.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 7, 2007 20:55:26 GMT -5
Well it's not really a second thought because I had my issues with this trade in the 1st place. I agree it doesn't matter anymore. I'm just saying.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 7, 2007 21:28:28 GMT -5
Second thoughts are for wussies like Custer. Sorry I just wanted to say that. To answer your questions hells no. With our youngings a 6th seed would have been good. We would have been waiting at least 3 years. Now we get closure and a chance to be one of the best teams in the league for 5 years. Then if you love young guys we can start over then. When you see Telfair buried behind Foye and McCants, and GG playing no d, and Gomes competing for mins with Brewer and Craig Smith and Ratliff play 2 games and Al J get beat up on for 3 years by every experienced big in the west till Oden starts beating on him you'll like this trade better. WIth no PP to take pressure of him and with no Rondo or even Delonte to pass to him AL will have a tough year. He'll put up decent numbers but it won't be easy and he will NOT be an all-star for years in the west. Especially if Jermaine O'Neal gets traded out there. Gotta love that prediction. KA+.  |
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Post by birdie on Aug 7, 2007 21:40:17 GMT -5
me too, I think just the same as you
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Post by celticfan on Aug 7, 2007 22:14:22 GMT -5
I was not overly thrilled with this trade when it first happened. I know a lot people are like we got KG how can you not like it and I understand that. But we had a nice young core of players. I know we are taking our shot with Pierce and his window was limited but we could have done that with the young core of players we had imo. I think people underrated the talent level on this team. It's a shame because we lost quality talent in Jefferson, Gomes, West, Green, Telfair. We got KG and Allen in return but we did give up a ton especially with the picks. If Ratliff gave us anything for hte next year or so that would have been a plus as well. Plus Wally. I understand Ainge was going for it and taking a shot and we kept some of our young players, but he gave up a lot. As this plays out over time we might find ourselves wishing we kept some of these guys as we see how they do around the league. It just seems to me the more I think about this trade it does make us relevant again, but I tend to think there were better ways to do that. I understand ultimately we'd have to parlay some of these players in better talent and Garnett and Allen are probably as good as we could do in that regard. I just sort of disagree with doing that. We should have picked our spots more wisely instead of going all in. nope, not at all. look at the recent NBA Champions. all the teams either had Shaq or TD on the team save for the Pistons which basically had 5 all-stars vs a very dysfunctional Lakers team. With Paul, Ray and the young group, we have an inexperienced team that would have taken 3 to 5 years to put it together. WIth KG the former MVP joining the team, we have 3 guys who can win it all. I think you may be overating some of the outgoing talent too. Telfair is just never gonna get it. He'll be a bad starter or a decend, maybe solid back up. Gerald Green is the new Harold Miner IMO. Great dunker, will be able to score a bit but at the detriment to his team. You only get so many shots at winning a title. These 3 guys can do it in such a messed up Eastern Conference and once in the finals can beat anyone not named the Spurs. Look at the Spurs, they sign veterans to fill the bench and draft euro-league players to stay overseas to learn the game. There is no youth movement on that team. I love the move. We're not guarunteed a title, but we're contenders and that's all a fan can ask of his team IMO, make the team a contender. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 7, 2007 22:36:01 GMT -5
I have second thoughts all the time. I can easily get excited for our present--the here and now--but in 5 years, we are going to be right back where we were 4 years ago, when Ainge inherited a team void of any talent beyond Pierce and Walker. He had done a terrific job of accumulating young talent, and I really thought our future was bright.
We now have a 5 year window (roughly) to win it all. And we absolutely have to win, because it'll be famine time again after this.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Aug 7, 2007 22:42:42 GMT -5
Gotta take the three proven All-star approach including 1 top five NBA player. I think only two other teams have that:
Phoenix and San Antonio. Chances are good that they will be our opponents in the 2008 finals. I like our matchup against Phoenix and I think we are still at a disadvantage against San Antonio.
Had we stuck with our youth movement we would be discussing trade Pierce scenarios.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 7, 2007 23:43:09 GMT -5
I just tend to think had this team gotten a good coach, things might have been different. We had the talent. You don't get KG and Allen without giving something up and we did. 7 players and 3 first round picks. It just seems to me we shouldn't have had to give up that much and there were other ways to do this. It's not like we got back a young stud in return ala Shaq when he went to the lakers or Duncan when he came to the spurs. We gave up a lot and we have an aging core.
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Post by kofanis0880 on Aug 7, 2007 23:46:10 GMT -5
It would have been nice to have kept GG, Gomes or one of the picks.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 8, 2007 2:41:34 GMT -5
I'm still glad we pulled off this trade. The team we had before had zero shot of winning a title. AlJeff is never going to be the main guy to lead a team to a title. And what did we really have besides him when it comes to young players? We had guy like Gomes, DWest, and Perk, who all at best, will be good role players. Rondo, is a talented player with a major flaw (shooting). Gerald Green can jump high, shoot. . . and thats about it. He is wildly overrated by most of Celtics nation. I'd say his ceiling is Desmond Mason, and his team should be thrilled if he ever gets there.
I'll take KG over that (plus a couple of picks) any day.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Aug 8, 2007 4:08:44 GMT -5
it's all for the championship. i gladly embrace the next 3-5 years. eveyone thinks that when the troika is done we're doormats again. don't underestimate the appeal of the troika to free-agents in coming years, don't underestimate ainge's eye for talent. we'll be more than ok and more than we would have been for the foreseeeable future with the young guns.
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Post by goceltics34 on Aug 8, 2007 10:40:28 GMT -5
I have second thoughts all the time. I can easily get excited for our present--the here and now--but in 5 years, we are going to be right back where we were 4 years ago, when Ainge inherited a team void of any talent beyond Pierce and Walker. He had done a terrific job of accumulating young talent, and I really thought our future was bright. We now have a 5 year window (roughly) to win it all. And we absolutely have to win, because it'll be famine time again after this. Derren i understand your having second thoughts, but sucessful organizations or buisness take risk. We can't worry about what happens five years down the line. Teams like the clippers, bucks, bobcats, sonics, those organizations with very little tradition of winning build for the future. We're the most storied franchise in the NBA, we should always be in "WIN NOW" mode. As i've said before holding on to those youngsters guranteed us nothing. I know we all wacthed the KG press conference. Did you hear what Doc said about the young guys in comaparision to veteran players. He said last season some of the young guys weren't even ready to play in the games. Veteran players are up for every game, and have a professionalism about themselves. He said you never have to motivate or worry about what a veteran brings to each game. I agree you need to mix in youth with veterans, but the way were going it was all youth and a couple of veterans. Young whipper snappers arent going to beat grown men on a consistent basis in the NBA. All i know is this, come October the center of the basketball universe is going to be centerned on the celtics again. Also whether we win the title in 5 years or not, pierce, allen and garnett's contracts will be off the books. So we can reload. DERREN a word of advice.......enjoy the moment my friend, it should be just like the 80's. The celtics will soon be the envy of the league and hated again by all. I wouldn't have it any other way. |
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Post by sprash98 on Aug 8, 2007 17:14:12 GMT -5
Whatsssssuuuupppppp, folks!!! .. Loooonnnngggg time  .. Got a new job thats been keeping me busy....Anyways... I still am torn regarding this trade...We have mortgaged it all on KG and we still have Doc friggin Rivers as the coach.. I am disappointed we didnt hire SVG... If this was the plan all along, Ainge should've canned Doc right after the season got over and gone hard after SVG... I am also concerned about the lack of depth on the roster.... And I LOVE Al..I think the kid is gonna be special... In 4 years, if we dont win a ring, this will look pretty bad as we would have no pieces for a foundation..... BTW, eja... I dont go on myspace too much anymore... So feel free to email me on my yahoo which is the same SN as here |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 8, 2007 19:25:09 GMT -5
I have always had mixed feelings about this trade. I love Al, Delonte, Gomes and Green and think they all have a chance to be special, especially Al. But then again, this season could be a lot of fun and Garnett makes the Celtics relevant again. But then again, Al could end up being as good as Garnett and Green could be very special and would have made us relevant for years and years to come. I think I would have felt better about the team if we had kept our home grown talent. But then again, this season could be a lot of fun. see? I am very torn.
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.. Got a new job thats been keeping me busy....Anyways... I still am torn regarding this trade...We have mortgaged it all on KG and we still have Doc friggin Rivers as the coach.. I am disappointed we didnt hire SVG... If this was the plan all along, Ainge should've canned Doc right after the season got over and gone hard after SVG... I am also concerned about the lack of depth on the roster.... And I LOVE Al..I think the kid is gonna be special... In 4 years, if we dont win a ring, this will look pretty bad as we would have no pieces for a foundation.....
