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Post by goceltics34 on Apr 9, 2007 13:36:17 GMT -5
The question is why? I realize the team plays hard for him, and we've had numerous injuries. Let's not forget we weren't setting the world on fire before pierce's injury. We were 10-14. The charlotte bobcats are playing hard for bernie bickerstaff, but that didn't stop michael jordan from dismissing him at season's end.
I had a bad feeling these injuries would buy rivers another year.
Why is the organization settling for mediocrity. Stan Van Gundy is just out there waiting to be snacthed up, and his track record is 10 times better than rivers.
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Post by eja117 on Apr 9, 2007 13:46:12 GMT -5
Let me ask everyone here a question. Have you ever in the history of the league seen a coach develop so many young players simultaneously despite so many problems? In fact this is I think the 2nd youngest team in the league and probably one of the youngest team's in league history considering the high school player thing really only lasted from about 1995 to 2006 and for the first 4 years it was usually only 1 or 2 guys a year. Don't kid yourselves and tell yourself that some other coach would have done better. I guarantee if we had told someone like Larry Brown "Your job is to try to coach a team with like 5 high schoolers" he would have said "No frickin way" or he would have done it and completely melted under the pressure.
Getting as much as he did out of all these young players is nearly miraculous
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 9, 2007 22:33:23 GMT -5
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 9, 2007 23:24:18 GMT -5
Here's the thing to keep in mind about Doc; if all our players were healthy, he'd have Wally Szczerbiak, Brian Scalabrine and Theo Ratliff all playing a ton of minutes, possibly even starting. Jefferson may not have been given the opportunity to blossom like he did this season (because Gomes would have been playing a lot of minutes), and Perk would have smelled little minutes. It took Doc more than half of Ryan Gomes' rookie season to realize that the kid can play, and it nearly took the entire season for Doc to realize that Rajon, and not Delonte, needs to be the starting PG.
The landslide of injuires that we've suffered this season hurt our chances at having a successful season, but in many ways, I'm not looking at this season as a lost season because our young players have gotten value playing time. And this will only be to the benefit of the entire team next season. Had none of the injuries occurred, the youngsters would have only received limited playing time and next season, our veterans would be a year older, but our youngsters wouldn't be that much better. But thanks to all the playing time the youngsters received this season, they will be much more productive next season.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Apr 10, 2007 1:04:32 GMT -5
i really hope it's gonna be only a one year extension if it were to happen. just to save hime being a lame duck. next year we will probably become competitive and being deep in the playoffs exposes doc's biggest weakness which is ironically game-time coaching. so if the celts are interested in being a real force come 2008-2009 season we need a new coach by then at the latest. the kids will be developed by then as well (those who will be in boston)
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Apr 10, 2007 8:23:52 GMT -5
Well said, BC.... Exalt
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Post by meangreen on Apr 10, 2007 11:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Apr 10, 2007 11:45:42 GMT -5
WHY ! WHY ! WHY ! WHY ! WHY ! WHY !!!!!!!! I don't know why either. I still say he should not be brought back. I hope Doc proves me wrong if he is brought back. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Apr 10, 2007 12:05:02 GMT -5
Not sure what is going on, but the Globe this morning refutes yesterday's Herald article
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Post by cfoo on Apr 10, 2007 15:11:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing Doc get an extension at all. I think he's a good coach for this team right now. Once we are ready to compete and are deep in the playoffs that's a different story.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Apr 10, 2007 20:20:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing Doc get an extension at all. I think he's a good coach for this team right now. Once we are ready to compete and are deep in the playoffs that's a different story. If you enjoy watching mediocre Celtics basketball, then by all means give Doc his extension and watch Pierce demand a trade. |
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Post by eja117 on Apr 10, 2007 20:23:28 GMT -5
Since when did PP become the GM or coach? Fine let him go. When we have Oden wailing on him for championships he can be the next Toine or GP and explain why he was right. Who does he want to coach? His old Kansas coach so we can get the #1 seed and lose to the 8 seed every year?
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Post by cfoo on Apr 11, 2007 1:26:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing Doc get an extension at all. I think he's a good coach for this team right now. Once we are ready to compete and are deep in the playoffs that's a different story. If you enjoy watching mediocre Celtics basketball, then by all means give Doc his extension and watch Pierce demand a trade. We aren't mediocre. We are the second worst team in the league. If we had the best coach in the world we might be mediocre. There's a good chance we'd probably still be pretty bad. You have to take your small victories where you can get them right now. This team is still in the building phase that's the point. I think this team has a good amount of positives going for it where it's not awful if Doc get's an extension. Whether our record speaks to that or not. Rondo got experience. Green improved. Jefferson really took off. Perk battled through injuries but started to get some things going. Pierce really showed leadership this season imo. This team played hard all season long. I'm not worried about it. You can say Doc wouldn't have done this or that if this didn't happen, but that's not what happened. If this team were content being as bad as they are I would be worried. That's not what I'm saying. Notice this team played hard. There's a bigger picture. I think it's a testiment to Doc that he was able to keep this team motivated and positive during such a crappy season. |
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Post by cfoo on Apr 11, 2007 2:01:46 GMT -5
All I'm saying is Doc has his role in that bigger picture. It might not be a longterm thing but he fits for now imo. How many coaches out there have the whole package? Not many and if you can tell me one that's available then great, but you kind of have to pick and choose strengths and weaknesses and Doc has strengths that are good for a young team imo.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 11, 2007 2:18:35 GMT -5
I do like Doc as a person. He's got some disciplinary strengths in him, but in a loving sort of way. I think many of our players have benefitted from knowing Doc as a person.
But at the beginning of the year, he played the veterans so much and wasn't using the young guys, and that's what started to bother me (I was a Doc supporter up until then). Its safe to say that our future lies in the hands of our young guys, and the game plan all along should have been about developing them at all costs. But that wasn't the case early in the season, when it seemed like winning every game was at the forefront, and when Pierce and Wally were running the show. It wasn't until the injuries started to mount that the youngsters started getting the playing time they need.
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