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Post by cfoo on Apr 11, 2007 2:46:05 GMT -5
Isn't that somewhat normal though Derren? That vets would start off the season and then the rookies would be worked in? If Rondo started off the season as the starter we might have rushed him. You see players get rushed all the time and get demoted and have to bounce back. One of the biggest problems with the last regime is we never did that. Not to make a baseball reference but it's baseball season and you see that all the time where players get worked in and sometimes struggle and get demoted and bounce back.
BTW I'll be at fenway tomorrow to see Matsusaka opening start there. Felix Hernandez vs Dice-K. It's going to be good.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 11, 2007 2:57:13 GMT -5
Yeah, should be a good game. Maybe we'll see you on SportsCenter, making a nice grab on a foul ball (don't forget to bring your glove).
With our young players, Doc should have been giving them consistent minutes every game from the get go, but that wasn't the case at all. I'm not talking about 25 mpg, but a steady amount of minutes every game, in situations where they know they are going to be used. He barely used Rajon early in the season, and at one point, he was barely using Telfair. He hardly used Powe, even though Powe is one of our best, if not the best, offensive rebounders who makes things happen. All these guys can play, but need to get used to the speed of the NBA first in order to get the ball rolling. But Doc was heavily using our veterans and if it wasn't for the injuries, he'd be using Ratliff, Pierce, and Wally a whole lot, along with Scalabrine as the 6th man.
More than using this season as a developmental year, he was trying to win every game early on, and that's a mistake because it would have forced us to develop the younger playes at a later time. So in many ways, the injuries have helped our developmental process move quicker.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 11, 2007 3:00:37 GMT -5
That might be true but from the things I read early on they had those guys working on things in practice. I know Powe was really hesitant and was locking up offensively because he wasn't used to the speed of the NBA game, and I remember reading an article where they had him working on his offensive moves in practice to get him ready. That's the thing is this stuff later on isn't going to mean anything. It takes players time to get adjusted and the initial phase imo is to have them work in practice then get them on the floor once they are used to things. Once we look back at this who cares if Powe or Rondo didn't play much the first month of their NBA careers. Is that really a deterant. It's more bringing them along correctly and not rushing them then anything. It's better than throwing Powe on the floor from the get go and having him locking up and screwing with his head and picking up bad habits. That might have worked as well, and he probably would have gotten by that but I think the C's did the right thing. I know from my experience when I play sports I don't learn so much when I'm playing. I play my game. I learn a lot more when I'm in practice and working on fundamentals and mechanics and stuff like that, then I implement that stuff in games. For a while there this team was doing things backwards and was trying to learn as they play and that's not how you learn. You can learn that way but you also pick up bad habits that way.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 11, 2007 3:22:31 GMT -5
Take baseball for instance. When you make the jump from JV to varsity, its not like the game or rules have changed all of a sudden. You still need to run the bases the same way, you still have to get a hit to reach a base. What's changed is the level of play and the caliber of athletes at this level. Its the same with basketball. I don't think its so much about the X's and O's that the players have a hard time with--its about the speed of the NBA and the caliber of athletes they are now competing against. In order for any player to have a chance in the NBA, they have to catch up to the speed of the NBA and have the confidence that they can compete at this level.
IMO, feeding players consistent minutes in specific roles (not just throwing them out there to the dogs) is the way to go. At the beginning of the year, maybe with 4 minutes left in the 2nd quarter, put Powe out there and tell him all he needs to do is rebound--go after every rebound he can. It'll be a mistake to put him in there at a crucial junction of the game and tell him to score for us. But giving him minutes in situations that aren't dire and giving him specific duties to perform would have been the way to play him and develop him.
Practice is important to learn and hone your skills, but there's nothing like game situations to really get your nerves going. Calming the butterflies are some of the biggest roadblocks as a young player, but they start to go away as you get comfortable.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 11, 2007 4:48:22 GMT -5
And they are getting game experience. I'm just saying they were fresh to the NBA and it's normal that they would get used to practicing against NBA players first and getting their skills properly adjusted to the speed of game, and then playing in a game. It's an adjustment period and that's pretty much exactly what it says it is and during an adjustment you usually work players in slowly if you want them to be worked in correctly.
When you start a new job even if it's the same thing you've been doing, it's usually better to work yourself in slowly and watch for a bit. You don't just jump in and take over. At least that is what good workers usually do. Most of the people I see jump in and try to be a show off and do everything usually crash and burn. I've seen it so many times where people are the hero for the day and everyone thinks they are great and im just sitting back watching and relaxing and picking up stuff and that guy ends up quitting a month later. Just look at Pitino. There's a perfect example of that.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 11, 2007 11:53:16 GMT -5
When you start a new job even if it's the same thing you've been doing, it's usually better to work yourself in slowly and watch for a bit. You don't just jump in and take over.
That's what I'm saying. I didn't want Doc just throwing Powe or Rajon out there to sink. They need to be put in situations where they won't hurt the team, yet can get a consistent feel for the speed of the game. He was putting them in for 10 minutes one game, 2 minutes in another and a whole lot of DNP-CD's--players will have an quicker time adjusting if the minutes are consistent. What I wanted was for Doc to give consistently give them 8 - 10 minutes each game in the beginning.
You mention the new job scenario. Well the best way to bring along a new employee (I find) is to have them shadow you so that they can see how you converse with customers, and also give them opportunities to assist customers themselves. Maybe like 1 out of every 5 customers that walk into your department, have them greet and assist. Sure they'll make mistakes here and there, and they won't know where all the merchandises are, but as they say, the best way to learn a new city is to get lost in it a couple of times, and then you'll know it like the back of your hand.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 11, 2007 13:21:27 GMT -5
I know what you are saying, but all I'm saying is it seemed pretty normal to me the way these guys were brought along. They might have been taken in and out of games early on but as the season went their pt increased.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 11, 2007 13:33:21 GMT -5
Maybe there was a better way to do that, but it's all part of getting these players acclimated and from the results I've seen so far, it seems like the young guys are being acclimated correctly.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Apr 12, 2007 9:56:35 GMT -5
Today's Globe says that Danny is going to petition the owners for an extension for Doc.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Apr 12, 2007 12:25:45 GMT -5
Today's Globe says that Danny is going to petition the owners for an extension for Doc. Lucky for Danny, I'm not the owner(s). Yeah, nice happy bunch over there at North Station. Way to disaffect the old schoolers of Boston Garden. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 12, 2007 23:41:49 GMT -5
Today's Globe says that Danny is going to petition the owners for an extension for Doc. Sounds like the owners don't want Doc back if that's what I'm reading. If Ainge has got to petition for Doc's job, I take it that there has been talks around with the owners and they don't want him back. Its been said that Wyc reads CelticsBlog, and if that's true, I'm sure he's read the thousands of posts from fans who are disgruntled with Doc. And Wyc cares a lot about what the fans think. |
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Post by CelticsLoyalist on Apr 15, 2007 9:31:40 GMT -5
I just hope everyone can see the light through the forest and Doc gets an extension! Of course I am not serious.
Here's a stat that should cement Doc's future here or cement Doc's feet as he's dropped in the Boston Harbor...
Pete May "Rivers is the only NBA coach who has been a part of two teams that registered 18-game losing streaks."
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