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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 27, 2007 16:36:03 GMT -5
For those of you who don't know, MeanGreen has been trying his hardest to convince us that Coach Billy Donovan from the Florida Gators is the right coach for us. He may be on to something. FL has posted the news: www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070327/COLUMNISTS0306/703270330/1065/sports2 things were standing in my way regarding Billy Donovan. --I didn't think he was possibly leaving Florida --I don't know how much faith I can put into a college coach transfering to the NBA (Pitino has left a sour taste in my mouth). Well, Donovan may be leaving Florida, possibly going to the vacant Kentucky Wildcats head coaching position, or maybe cutting his teeth in the NBA. The writer of this article hints that being that Donovan is from the northeast and playing his college ball at Providence, if there's a remote chance that Donovan wants to test the NBA waters, maybe he may want to come to Boston. |
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Post by eja117 on Mar 27, 2007 16:51:21 GMT -5
I read that article. I guess it could happen. He is also older than I thought. I'd only want him if maybe we drafted Noah and Taurean Green in the 2nd round. If we did that cause we missed out on Oden and Durant it would make a lot more sense cause then those guys could be like instant vets and help install the new system, but then again that sure as heck didn't work for Pittino. I'd take Donovan over Calipari any day though.
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Post by eja117 on Mar 27, 2007 16:58:08 GMT -5
I don't want a coach that can't suceed with talent, cause talent is totally what we have now. It's like we're sitting here saying, "guess what? We have one of the 7 most talented teams in the league. Maybe not as talented as the Suns or Mavs, but almost as talented as a lot of other teams. Two years is our window. That's what a coach gets. The Pistons will be old men by then and we'll at least have a young big better than Bosh and PP. That's a pretty talented team right there. At a minimum. Which means we HAVE to have a coach who can win with talent. Who would that be. Hmmm. Who would that be?"
Can Donovan win with talent? Can Doc? I know Doc can make the talent come out bit by bit. Who else could win with talent? We need a coach that can do that. Maybe Larry Brown could finally do something here now.
Whatever the case the following players can't be blamed
Al
Delonte
PP
You can look at pretty much every other player and say they aren't good enough yet yadda yadda but not those. And I think if you think of Gomes as a 10th man and Scala as a 15th you can't be mad at them either. We have a ways to go with Rondo and GG, and we aren't sure yet with Perk and TA cause of his injuries. I think I can guarantee Wally won't be propelling us towards wins. Maybe helping us preserve them.
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Post by meangreen on Mar 27, 2007 21:06:18 GMT -5
I can't tell u guys how absolutely positively pleasantly SHOCKED I was that this 2c this thread 2day  . I agree w/u Eja I don't want a coach that can't coach talent. That was the knock on Boeheim 4a long time was that he had so much talent over the yrs and was never able 2win w/it. Obviously Donavan doens't fit that mold and Doc has shown here NOT that he can get talent 2show "bit by bit", but how he can hinder talent from fully blossoming  . Me personally, Im not big on Aldeman comin here. Aldeman's style is more suited 2a team built like Hou a more veteran half-court team, not a young uptempo transition team like ours. Donvan can obviously coach talent and he can also coach the uptempo style we're lookin4 ;D. We'll pay Donavan just like we'd have 2pay any coach that comes in here, like I said b4 we're not hirin Johnny Davis, ML Carr, Maurice Cheeks, whoever in Memph. Pay him, let him and the entire organization know that we're behind him so there won't be any controversy and go from there. This is the time 2strike if we're goin 2land a coach like Donavan. We wouldn't be looking out for our own best intrests if we didn't find out whatd't take 2get him here ;D. |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Mar 28, 2007 1:52:18 GMT -5
We have one of the 7 most talented teams in the league. I would definately have to disagree with that. |
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Mar 28, 2007 7:54:46 GMT -5
Boy that is a tough step for Donovan. I don't know it may work out beautifully if he wants this opportunity.
I'd be willing to give him a shot at coaching the Celtics.
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Post by eja117 on Mar 28, 2007 8:33:31 GMT -5
Fair enough but I'd point out that Pitino was able to coach Toine and Mercer at UK, but he wasn't able in the pros and I could see Pittino's apprentice (Donovan) having the exact same problems. Luckily for him I think Noah has a way better attitude than Toine.
In the mean time I agree Fresh that I need to reexamine my statement. First I'd point out it is based on the projection of two years from now, but let me assume reasonable health and let me examine my point
Detroit - not today but in two years
Cleveland - I actually do think we are as talented as them.
Miami- in two years yes
Toronto - I'd take us
Chicago - it's close, probably them
Washington- Now them. In two years probably us
Orlando - us
New Jersey - TODAY them. Soon us
Indiana - not much after JON. I'd say us
NY - us
Philly - us
Atlanta - us
Charlotte - kinda close
Milwaukee - us
Dallas - them
Suns - them
San Antonio - soon enough us
Utah - them
Hou- us a thousand times us I don't care what anyone says
Lakers - close
Denver - us
Clippers- us?
Golden St - us
NO - us, I don't care they keep beating us
Minn- us
Sactown - them till Artest leaves
Portland - us, but they could be good at some point
Seattle - them?
Memphis - us
Ok so maybe we're more in the middle
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Post by meangreen on Mar 28, 2007 13:14:51 GMT -5
Pitino would be perfect 4 THIS team not the so called talent he had then, granted he brought in the talent and failed in the attempt 2construct a team like this1  . NOW we've got the talent that's perfect 4this team and I thin DA as GM knows talent and has done good job of bringin it in. The word is spreadin 'bout Donavan comin here, I just read and responded 2a post where some1 else is high on Donavan2. Donavan's name is poppin up all over the place, I just heard on the Dan Patrick show on espn radio that Pat Riley could possilby step dwn and that Donavan would be on their list of coaches 2replace him. Calipari was the closest name that Ive heard that I liked 2b here as coach and Ive yet 2hear another. Donavan is the clear obvious choice here fans ;D ;D ;D. |
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Post by eja117 on Mar 28, 2007 13:31:51 GMT -5
Wait wait wait. Did you just say Pitino would be perfect for this team? Did you even say Pitino wouldn't be all that bad for this team, let alone perfect? Oh my gosh. Meangreen....welcome to your first SMITE!
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 28, 2007 16:42:53 GMT -5
Gee, I guess if Miami is in the running for Pat Riley's position, they could be the favorites to get Donovan.
I'm still hesitant to bring in a college coach who has no prior coaching experience in the NBA. But I'll be open minded and see what happens.
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Post by meangreen on Mar 28, 2007 18:33:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I know Eja, 2mention the name Pitono is taboo here  . But Pitino's stlye is just what THIS team needs not necessarily his mgmt skills ;D. He was tryin 2put 2gether a team like this, but failed miserably @the attempt . Donavan's style is obviously similar and its a perfect fit 4this team. Its an up-tempo and aggressive style of play which we've not seen from this team in I don't know how long  . |
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Post by eja117 on Mar 28, 2007 19:38:22 GMT -5
As I rethink my top 7 talented team I kinda think we are the TOP talented team 4-12. But since our top 3 are Al, PP, Wally in that order I think we need a superstar added to that. It could come from within. Hopefully GG replaces Wally and Oden gets added, and Rondo gets real close. That would be perfect. Not sure how much that will or wont happen. If Rondo;s shooting percentage doesn't go up next year i might give up on him. There'd be no excuse for that.
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Post by Roadrunner on Mar 28, 2007 22:20:36 GMT -5
Pitino, well his career blossumed w/ 1 victory at BU. Not a good fit for the Celtics.  |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Mar 29, 2007 3:38:34 GMT -5
As I rethink my top 7 talented team I kinda think we are the TOP talented team 4-12. But since our top 3 are Al, PP, Wally in that order I think we need a superstar added to that. It could come from within. Hopefully GG replaces Wally and Oden gets added, and Rondo gets real close. That would be perfect. Not sure how much that will or wont happen. If Rondo;s shooting percentage doesn't go up next year i might give up on him. There'd be no excuse for that. That's the thing. I'd trade our roster for Cleveland's roster straight-up regardless who their 2-12 players are, b/c they have Lebron. NBA titles are won by have 1 or two top 50 all time players, which we dont have one of. All of that young 4-12 talent is nice, until we have to resign them, which, if they keep at their current pace, will be impossible. ANother reason you need to get a all-time great player to be a dominant team is that you have to pay your top players premium dough. You're top 2-3 players take up roughly 80% of your teams pay-roll in most cases. And since the NBA pay scale has a maximum amount you can make, the teams that are paying top fifty all time talent have a huge manuverabilty advantage over teams that are paying a player that isnt even top 250 all time league max (This is a reason that trading PP wouldnt bother me so much. I dont like the idea of having almost 50% of our cap locked up in a guy that has never been all NBA on any level). So anycrap, if we want to win a title in the near future(next 5-7 years), we need to score top 50 type player in one of the next few drafts. Luckily, there are 2 in this draft. If we are lucky enough to score either GO or KD in this draft, we need to package a collection of kids with Ratliff's contract for quality vet. I also wouldnt be opposed to trading PP if we can somehow score a combo of exp. contrracts and a high pick in this draft. Imagine the different frontcourts we could asemble: Hawes Al Durant Noah Al Durant Al Durant Wright Oden Al Wright |
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Post by meangreen on Mar 29, 2007 19:40:24 GMT -5
Well we can argue 'bout Pitino and this team another day RR ;D ;D. But I do believe that Donavan is just what this team needs 2reach the level we all want 2c this team achieve ;D ;D. A top pk, plus young talent already on the team that's built 4his style of play, the fact that he's loosin @least 4starters are alll reasons 4us 2pursue Donavan. He's a hot property and we won't get another chance @him later. Ive listened 2other Cs fans and Ive not heard another name that I like that's available 2coach this team ;D ;D.
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. Me personally, Im not big on Aldeman comin here. Aldeman's style is more suited 2a team built like Hou a more veteran half-court team, not a young uptempo transition team like ours. Donvan can obviously coach talent and he can also coach the uptempo style we're lookin4 ;D. We'll pay Donavan just like we'd have 2pay any coach that comes in here, like I said b4 we're not hirin Johnny Davis, ML Carr, Maurice Cheeks, whoever in Memph. Pay him, let him and the entire organization know that we're behind him so there won't be any controversy and go from there. This is the time 2strike if we're goin 2land a coach like Donavan. We wouldn't be looking out for our own best intrests if we didn't find out whatd't take 2get him here ;D. 
. NOW we've got the talent that's perfect 4this team and I thin DA as GM knows talent and has done good job of bringin it in. The word is spreadin 'bout Donavan comin here, I just read and responded 2a post where some1 else is high on Donavan2. Donavan's name is poppin up all over the place, I just heard on the Dan Patrick show on espn radio that Pat Riley could possilby step dwn and that Donavan would be on their list of coaches 2replace him. Calipari was the closest name that Ive heard that I liked 2b here as coach and Ive yet 2hear another. Donavan is the clear obvious choice here fans ;D ;D ;D.
. But Pitino's stlye is just what THIS team needs not necessarily his mgmt skills ;D. He was tryin 2put 2gether a team like this, but failed miserably @the attempt 
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