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Post by cfoo on Nov 25, 2006 18:29:55 GMT -5
I'd probably put this team on par with the bobcats right about now. One team can't score to save their lives but can play pretty good D, and we can't play D to save our lives and can score pretty well on occasion. One game was a high scoring affair which we won, one was a defensive game that they won. If this says anything it means that offense doesn't necessarily beat defense, and defense doesn't necessarily beat offense. All it says is that neither of our teams are balanced and good enough to beat anyone else.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 25, 2006 20:47:18 GMT -5
Don't forget that we almost lost the first game to the Cats as well. We went down to the wire and Delonte bailed us out by hitting a clutch jumper. We could have easily lost that one too.
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 25, 2006 23:02:06 GMT -5
Give MJ more time. I am pretty sure there won't be a comparison in a few years. Ex: Kwame Brown #1 overall, and Rip Hamilton for J Stackhouse straight up.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 26, 2006 3:19:35 GMT -5
Actually, in the grand scheme of things, the Bobcats probably have done the right thing by going with their youth developmental program. They have a core of young players who look like they will carry the team for many years to come. Instead of trying to win as many games as possible right off the bat by playing veterans instead of their young players, they have committed themselves to developing Okafor, May, Wallace, Felton and Adam Morrison. They may be a losing team now, but in a couple of years, these 5 guys will be playing at a high level, making the Bobcats very competitive.
If we don't commit ourselves to playing Jefferson, Gerald, Rajon, Powe, etc. and allow them to play through their mistakes, in a couple of years, they will still behind the learning curve.
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 26, 2006 8:27:59 GMT -5
Can't compare the Celtics to the 'cats. The Bobcats had "4" lottery selections.
The issue is the team has too many 1rst/2nd/3rd year players, and essentially they are cutting into each others playing time.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 26, 2006 18:05:11 GMT -5
Okafor is their only real high pick though. I consider Morrison and Gerald Green to even out each other (though Gerald does have a higher ceiling and could very well surpass him). Felton is ahead of both Telfair and Rajon, but in time, they both should be comparable. Jefferson will cancel out Sean May. Aside from that, we have Gomes, Perkins and Powe, all who should be important contributors for our team.
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 26, 2006 23:56:05 GMT -5
Talent wise perhaps, though Morrison was a top 3 selection, Felton a top 10 selection, and May a lottery selection.
Okafor, a number #1 selection.
Issue w/ the celtics, vast talent, however back-up talent. True, Rondo and Green may be starter material, but Gomes, Powe,Telfair, Allen, etc are back-up material.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 27, 2006 2:22:05 GMT -5
Well if you want to go that direction, you are right the Bobcats have been building their team around high draft picks and proven college talent where we have been drafting highschoolers later in the draft. I guess the point I was trying to make is both teams have gone different directions in the way they have been building and we are both at the same level pretty much. So it doesn't really matter how you build your team. I think the Bobcats have made some very good selections, as have the Celtics. I was mainly saying we are just bad for the most part.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 28, 2006 11:38:12 GMT -5
The Bobcats give their young players playing time. The Celtics don't, chosing instead to rely on stars who prefer to take over a game rather than rely on their young teammates and inferior vets like Scal who get to play only because he isn't hurting us as much as he did last season.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 28, 2006 15:49:03 GMT -5
Consider Gerald Green, by far our most talented young basketball player. Its unanimous among Celtics fans that Gerald has the highest ceiling on the team, and many of the players and coaches feel the same way too. So why is he playing only 30 seconds a game and only shooting three pointers?
Doc needs to incorporate Gerald and Leon Powe into more games and utilitze them when they are in the games. Why waste away the first few years of their careers when it should be used to get them ready to explode by year 3?
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Post by eja117 on Nov 28, 2006 16:02:27 GMT -5
GG is by far the most athletic high school swing man (other than maaaayyyyybbeeee Lebron) to enter the league. He is far more athletic than Lebron was, he's not lazy, doesn't have a bad attitude, wants to do well, and has a fine shot. On any other team he'd probably be scratching all-star by now (I MEAN IT), but not ours. Doc's fault. Nobody else's. You can't say that about Al cause he's been hurt too much. You can say similar things about Perk, but he needed two years to get in shape and stop fouling. Pretty soon we can say similar stuff about Rondo. I wonder what Doc would do on a team with NO veterans. If I were DA maybe I'd try to arrange that just for fun. I seriously think Doc would try to suit up and be a player coach.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 28, 2006 16:18:30 GMT -5
OK, who is this guy posting as Eja? C'mon, you can tell us ;D Looks like the P-word is not bothering you so much nowadays Eja.
I agree with you that if Gerald was playing for some other team (like say the Magic, the Bobcats, the Warriors, etc.) he'd be getting a lot of burn time and harnessing his game and vast athletic abilities (I wouldn't say he's more athletic than Lebron though).
Doc wanted to win the Milwaukee game so bad that he had Pierce and Wally out there till the very last second of the game to secure the win (we won by 13). In this game, Gerald started showing some of the things we wanted to see from him--like moving hard without the ball and hitting midrange jumpers. On two plays, Gerald actually looked like the late Reggie Lewis as he came off picks and curled into catch and shoot jumpers that touched nothing but the bottom of the net. Even the Buck's announcers said, "wow".
This would have been the perfect time to continue calling Gerald's number to build his confidence in playing this new way of scoring, but instead, Gerald is yanked to the bench and plays a grand total of 4 minutes the entire game. What a waste.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 28, 2006 18:10:45 GMT -5
I hate the pword with a passion, but there is more than one kind. For example there is the kind of pword the Golden State Warriors must think Patrick O'Bryant has, and that for the last two years I guess the Sonics thought Robert Swift had, and the kind that Deshawn Stevens had when he was drafted and the kind Korleon Young had.
Then there's the kind where GG jumps through the roof and levetates, and you say "I have never seen that before" There's the kind where Rondo is the best pg in the league for two weeks in the preseason and he makes passes on par with Kidd or Nash, and you think "Oh my God"
then you watch Doc chain them to the bench and you hear about trading these guys for Pau Gasol, and you think "Why? Why is this happening?"
Look I am obviously all about producing right now, if you enter the draft you have to be ready, yadda yadda, BUT THEY ARE READY! By those standards Scal should be back in college.
The ony Celtics rookies that have done anything for us in about 15 years are Toine and PP, and they were top top top college players picked in the top ten who were extraordinarily good instantly. Every other player has been either a bust, or a great pick......for another team. We're doin it again.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 28, 2006 18:12:12 GMT -5
Oh yeah. And Gomes. Out of complete desperation Gomes was discovered, and now he won't sit him. Exact oppositte problem. Only on this team. Only with Doc
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Post by cfoo on Nov 28, 2006 18:21:17 GMT -5
Hence the question remains, is it the coach or the players? I say it's the coach. A good coach is normally the difference maker imo, if you look at any team that has won it, it starts with a good coach. And in the year we are dedicating this season to Red Auerbach, the coach that basically started the celtics, started the league, Doc must go. But we need to find ourselves a good coach.
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