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Post by mrbeefy316 on Nov 5, 2006 13:22:07 GMT -5
The knicks have a bunch of guards who cant play without dribbling out most of the clock to create for themselves they also don't like to play defense. If we know anything about Larry Brown teams is that he emphazises defense and ball movement. They were a horrible match from the start. I guess he thought he would be able to change the way some of these players play the game and they would rally behind him and he would look like a hero in his own hometown of New York. He also thought that if they didn't buy into his coaching style he could move some of the players for some who would fit in better. Thats what got him fired. Isiah did not like Larry Brown bad mouthing the players and also calling other GMs to make moves. This Celtics team is different they have young talent that will rally around a coach. espescially someone like Larry Brown but like you guys im affraid he will not play guys like Green and Powe but neither is Doc so whats the difference.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 5, 2006 13:30:42 GMT -5
The difference is I don't want some coach stunting these guys' progress whether their name is Doc, Brown, Larry, Moses, Mohammed, or Joe Smith. I want a coach that will develop and grow this team and makes them a team like RED.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 5, 2006 15:50:05 GMT -5
Doc needs to go. This team needs a new face and a coach who preaches defense and winning. Exactly, Jhvos! Karma + The biggest beef I have with Doc is that he doesn't have a clue on how to coach defense and we will never win without playing tough team defense. Doc seems to spend all his time introducing new sets and schemes and no time making sure the team can execute them. Defense is the most important element in building a championship team and Doc doesn't have a clue how to coach defense. Also, we need a coach who will let the players play. Doc seems to more than ever try to micromanage. He has different plays for the first and second team. He has at least 8 different defensive sets and we still can't defend the pick and roll. He calls plays out on the court when we should just be running and letting the PGs call the plays. He doesn't have a clue how to institute a transition game. Either the players are completely ignoring him and playing half court (in which case, we should see different players out there) or he hasn't taught them how to play in transition. Like I pointed out before, he has the bigs take the ball out instead of the closest player. He lets them dribble up the court, dribble around the arc, and dribble out the shot clock. A transition game would advance the ball with passes and keep dribbling to a minimum. Since we see every player out there dribbling and no passes until they are all set up (including the defense), I have to assume that either Doc isn't teaching them how to play in transition or they are outright ignoring him and doing it the other way. In either case, the coach is at fault.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 5, 2006 16:47:40 GMT -5
I know everyone is going to think im crazy but how about hiring Larry Brown as head coach. He is a proven winner and if you ask anyone in the league they will tell you he is the best coach out there. I know he was a cancer with the Knicks and doesn't develop young players but they need a real coach that will teach defense to these guys. I can tell you that if he was coach Delonte would be out there getting some serious minutes as well as Rondo and Al Jefferson. I would fire Doc after about 25 games have Tony Brown finish the season as head coach get a high draft pick and hopefully land Oden and hire Larry Brown to coach this team next year. We would def. improve immedeately under brown, but i think he would stunt our growth over the long run. our youngns def. wouldnt be seeing any time. GG would have 60+ DNP-CDs. Scalabrine would def. get more time(he can D up, which is must for Larry Brown team). He def. would get the most out of this team, i just dont think it would be worth it.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 5, 2006 17:38:59 GMT -5
Another thing that ticks me off about Doc is that while his team is 0-3 is he working to make the Cs better? No. Of course not. That ungreatful pompus son of a beotch is taking the day off to fly his multi million dollar azz down to watch his son play bball at Georgetown. He's a freshman. He'll probably get a DNP-CD and Doc will say some dumb thing like "the coach has no idea what he's doin. My kid is good at defense. Doesn't he know how important defense is?" If I were the Celtics I'd be like "you got two choices. While your team is below .500 you can not go to see your kid or you can but we're fining you a day's pay", but by the time you get there you've got only one choice and that's to fire the guy. So unprofessional.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 5, 2006 17:46:05 GMT -5
I'm not gonna be mad at a guy for taking a day off. You can't expect the guy to work every day from november 1st to may 1st.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 5, 2006 17:54:04 GMT -5
Oh poor guy. He only gets from May 1 to October off with his hundreds of thousands of dollars and his team is in the dumps and never making the playoffs. What was I thinking?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2006 18:04:39 GMT -5
No one expects him to work 24/7. We just want to see improvement with his coaching. Right now, he has not improved this time at all and it seems his own players don't trust him at all (thus playing more half-court offense).
I don't know why, but for some reason as a fan I don't trust Doc Rivers to coach this team to win. He has never gone past the 1st round nor I think he had a team that has won more than 49 games.
How can he teach winning if he hasn't won anything himself? We need a coach who knows how to win.
I'll give Doc benefit of the doubt but, I don't see him coaching this team past the all-star break if we keep on losing.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 5, 2006 18:16:16 GMT -5
Oh poor guy. He only gets from May 1 to October off with his hundreds of thousands of dollars and his team is in the dumps and never making the playoffs. What was I thinking? So you're saying a coach should never take a day off when his team is struggling?
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Post by Celtic17 on Nov 5, 2006 21:12:58 GMT -5
Some times a day off helps to clear ones mind. It's not about days off IMO. It's about teaching the players and helping them find the team-focus, when you are at work...
These players get paid good money to "play". They should know how to prepare for a season and be self-motivated to play games. A solid coach might be best to give personal guidence and direction. Lend a couple tips on how to be a better NBA player and person.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Nov 6, 2006 4:28:30 GMT -5
the thing that bothers me is that when things go sour he says that we're young and etc. he never takes the blame. he blames everybody for not getting it or forgetting it. he never gets it it's him who doesn't get it.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Nov 6, 2006 9:15:27 GMT -5
Go sign the petition.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 6, 2006 10:30:46 GMT -5
I work 7 days a week sometimes and I know others that do too and make a lot less fresh. It would be one thing to take some time off and another to get some rest, but he's not driving a mile down the road to watch his kid. Flying down to FL or DC is a big trip. It basically means "no extra video for me while I've had a losing team three years in a row. When the game or practice ends I'm out the door and you won't see me till we all get back together. See ya." And Doc does this frequently. It's not like it's a once in while thing. He's well known for this. Basically I don't think he puts in the work necessary to be a successful college, let alone NBA coach. Maybe when he was in DC for a game against the Wiz it makes sense but he does it all the time.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 6, 2006 18:26:30 GMT -5
I work 7 days a week sometimes and I know others that do too and make a lot less fresh. It would be one thing to take some time off and another to get some rest, but he's not driving a mile down the road to watch his kid. Flying down to FL or DC is a big trip. It basically means "no extra video for me while I've had a losing team three years in a row. When the game or practice ends I'm out the door and you won't see me till we all get back together. See ya." And Doc does this frequently. It's not like it's a once in while thing. He's well known for this. Basically I don't think he puts in the work necessary to be a successful college, let alone NBA coach. Maybe when he was in DC for a game against the Wiz it makes sense but he does it all the time. There may be some truth to him being stretched too thin (living in FL has got to be a huge inconvenience when you coach in Boston), but Im not gonna rag on a guy for taking a day off to see his kid play ball.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 6, 2006 20:10:55 GMT -5
Well since the man doesn't do his job if it were up to me he'd be fired and suddenly have all the time in the world to watch his kids play ball.
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