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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 16:56:59 GMT -5
The buzz talk for the past month is Iverson coming here. But talks have stalled and now its not as certain as the media once made it sound (is it a smoke screen?).
Ainge still said that he will bring in a player to help Pierce make a run at a championship, now that he signed an extension. If its not Iverson, it'll be some other player who can make an impact our team that much.
A while back, Ainge mentioned some other names, most notably the Matrix, Shawn Marion.
Pierce was asked if not for Iverson, who would he like, and he mentioned Carlos Boozer and Mo Pete. Not sure if this was inside information from Pierce, but I guess we should consider them as well.
Either way, Ainge is going to make a trade for someone. Which one would be the best fit for the team?
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2006 17:41:49 GMT -5
Don't forget about Garnett and Jermaine O'neal. My vote goes for Garnett still. Although I'd like to get someone younger, but Garnett would be my choice. Hedging on Marion though.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 19, 2006 17:43:23 GMT -5
I like Marion of the choices above.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2006 17:53:50 GMT -5
Telfair Pierce Marion Jefferson Perkins
That would be sweet. If we trade for Marion would that make Gomes expendable? Maybe Phoenix would be interested considering GOmes is a younger cheaper version of Marion without the defense. We could really offer a package including players such as West, Green, Gomes(2 of the 3?), plus Wally if we were getting a player like Marion in return....
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Post by eja117 on Jul 19, 2006 18:00:37 GMT -5
i didn't really like any of the choices that much. I would want KG over Marion, cause i don't trust veterans of microfracture surgery (Chris Webber? Hi. The bball Gods just called and said they want their talent back). I chose Marion of the 4 cause at least he's young enough to still do this. Maybe if I knew he were completely healthy and his old self I'd be way more happy and take him over Garnett with that ridiculous contract. Mo Pete is redundant.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2006 18:16:01 GMT -5
The question should be is Boozer's ceiling higher than Jefferson's? And how much baggage really is there. He could come fairly cheap and has put up impressive numbers when he plays. To go from Vin Baker to a Boozer has bad karma written all over it though. The Boozer scenario is intriguing to say the least...
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2006 18:17:49 GMT -5
Here is a pretty good take on Boozer I just found.. I guess this rumor has been floating around for a while. I hadn't heard of it until today. celticsblog.net/blog/?p=1739This is a player that Cleveland fans were extremely upset they lost let's not forget, and have been trying to replace since. Lebron's loss could potentially equal Pierce's gain here in the best case scenario.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 18:18:22 GMT -5
I think KG is out of the question. Unless we want to give up Telfair, Delonte, Gerald, Jefferson, Gomes, and Perk.
Ainge commented that Jermaine O'Neal is not high on his list, though if there ever was a smoke screen, this would be it.
I think the Matrix would be incredible here. He'll improve our rebounding woes, our fastbreaking woes, and our defensive woes (excellent shot blocking SF, who is also a ball thief).
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Post by eja117 on Jul 19, 2006 20:51:33 GMT -5
No player in the history of the game ever commanded that much, not even Jordan. i wouldn't trade that for any one player in this league, and while I would for Duncan and Tony Parker, I wouldn't jump up and down and say we were the clear cut winners of the trade. i wouldn't trade that for the entire roster of the Heat and certainly not the pistons. No freakin way. Suddenly we look like one of the better teams in the league. I wouldn't do it for Lebron either. I would probably do it if it were an exotic trade which also shipped out PP and brought back Bron and DWade. That is basically our whole team and future, so if McHale wants to sit there and never win a thing with KG let him. These teams with washed up superstars that missed their chance are totally deluding themselves. They are basically saying "we'll trade you our future for yours". Nobody is that stupid. Nobody trades the future of bright prospects for the future of a washed up never-has-been no matter who they were.
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Post by esco33 on Jul 19, 2006 21:37:54 GMT -5
Two things that I am almost positive will NOT happen:
KG becoming a Celtic.
Shawn Marion becoming a Celtic.
Why would Phoenix trade him for less value? It doesn't make any sense.
I think the Boozer trade is more likely to happen than many of you think.
Names do not win championships. Defense and chemistry does. Boozer (WHEN HEALTHY) can provide consistent low post scoring and rebounding, and he can hit the open 15 footer.
Telfair and Rondo penetrating kicking out to Boozer he could average 17 points and 8 boards with this team, something that Big Al may not be ready to do. I still believe he should have dominated summer league, at LEAST putting up 20 and 10.
I could see a combination package of Wally, T Allen, and picks for Boozer, and change.
Don't get me wrong. I would LOVE for the Celtics to acquire KG. Marion would be nice too, but I think getting a guy like Boozer or Gooden is much more likely and will cost us much less.
I think a low post guy like Boozer teamed up with Pierce and the rest of the guys that we have could be a formidable force in the East.
I do not see Mo Pete doing anything for us. Wally is better anyway. Besides, we need another big to compete in the East.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2006 21:45:42 GMT -5
I agree that Boozer could be a very realistic and nice addition. Still I hope if it does happen, Danny does his homework, which I'm sure he will. There is no guarentee that Jefferson is going to be anything overly special in this league, and I still think people overrate him a bit. If we could get Boozer without giving up much, a lineup of solid players to surround Pierce like Telfair, Wally, Boozer, Perkins could do some serious damage for a long time. I'm not sure if Wally would go in the deal. I guess he might have to to make the contracts work unless we send Ratliff and a prospect instead... Utah is looking for a defensive Center, and I wouldn't give them Perk.
If it's between Gooden or Boozer, there is no doubt imo that I would go with Boozer. Boozer is a 18-10 guy in this league if healthy, shoots much better than Gooden and is just a much better offensive player imo. Gooden I really have no interest in except for a role player off the bench. Gooden is a borderline starter on a good team imo. Boozer is a very solid starter on a good team.
Telfair Pierce Wally Boozer Perk
is a good starting 5. Rondo, West, Green, Gomes, Ratliff is a very good bench. Plus we have Jefferson. Who would go if we are going to make an offer for Boozer?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 21:53:14 GMT -5
If we get Boozer, chances are, Jefferson's not in the long term future (he might even be in the trade that brings Boozer here). Though Boozer is a young PF, he is a proven commodity. I'm high on Jefferson and I may sound like a blind optimist. I'll stop if he isn't a star in a few years. But until then, I hope Ainge holds onto Jefferson. Boozer isn't the low post scorer that Jefferson can be, and Jefferson has a midrange jumper too, like Boozer.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2006 22:02:10 GMT -5
Just dreaming but imagine if we could land Boozer for Jefferson or Perk and Ratliff. And Marion for a combination of Wally, gomes, green, west, etc...
Pierce, Marion, Boozer would be a pretty sweet 3. The C's would be instant contenders and very good for a long time. And capped out for a long time.
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Post by esco33 on Jul 19, 2006 22:07:58 GMT -5
I am not so sure that Big AL will ever be as good as Boozer. He could be better but it all depends. His natural talent has always been there, but his ankles are too frail and he has just never grabbed the starting 4 spot with any dominance. Gomes outplayed him by far last year.
I always said that if Big Al were ever to emerge as a potential star player (eja ;D) he would do it in his third year. This is his third year and he disappointed me in summer play by not dominating. He should have eaten the opposition for lunch, dinner and midnight snack. Maybe last year didn't count with all the injuries and all and this would really be his second season, I don't know.
Boozer, when healthy though (he's no stranger to the trainer's room either) will produce and he guarantees you low post scoring and rebounding. He would give this team a legitimate low post option to get the ball to and form a 1-2 punch with Pierce.
I have to disagree though about the jumpshooting comment. Boozer has proven that he can be very consistent with that 15 footer ala Gomes.
Big Al since being a Celtic has never ever shown me that he can hit that shot with any type of consistency.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 19, 2006 22:17:22 GMT -5
IMO, he hasn't displayed his jumper because Doc ordered him not to. I don't think he wanted Jefferson to rely on shooting jumpers so early in his career. But from his very first taste of summer league back in '04, Jefferson had a nice jumper. We got to see it on display in the Toronto game (SL). He isn't shy about taking jumpers and you can see the way he immediately goes up for the jumper, and how he gets into his release point, that he has confidence in it.
I have no doubt that if Boozer comes here, he will produce. I'm a fan of Boozer (though it did take a hit after the way he left Cleveland). If we lose Jefferson in the process, I will be somewhat deflated, but I will get over it and look forward to the Boozer era at PF. As long as we get a young and talented PF in return for Al Jefferson. If we traded Jefferson for a guy like Chris Webber, I would be very upset (much like I would be upset if we lose Gerald Green for Iverson).
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