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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 30, 2006 18:06:59 GMT -5
I'm more than happy to sit on the players we have now and roll the dice with them.
Have Clifford Ray work Big Al and Perk to the bone so that they become our rebounding anchors and low post scorers.
Pierce and Wally have enough firepower to carry our offense for long stretches. From the looks of them last year, they really are a good combination and play well together.
And now we have PG's who can speed up our offense and dish the ball. Looking forward to Telfair and Rondo getting the ball to Al, Pierce, and Wally.
Then we have a solid bench with Delonte, Gerald, Tony, and Gomes. Both Allen Ray and Dwayne Jones give us solid players deep off the bench.
We do not have to make the Iverson trade. I think this team can win it all in a few years without getting AI.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jun 30, 2006 18:32:10 GMT -5
I agree about AI. I also wouldn't put West out of the mix as a starter. Telfair will need to take the PG role from him. I believe DW will kick it up, to keep his starting spot.
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Post by esco33 on Jun 30, 2006 20:01:57 GMT -5
I agree about AI. I also wouldn't put West out of the mix as a starter. Telfair will need to take the PG role from him. I believe DW will kick it up, to keep his starting spot. I agree. Like I've said, AI is a great player, but I am not so sure he is a player that can help you win a championship. I just do not see how Pierce and AI would mesh. Who would be the go-to guy? Who would be the complimentary scorer? Who would get the ball in crunch time? I think AI or Pierce's egos could get in the way. I say stick with what we have. Telfair may be the speedy Brevin Knight type player that we have been needing to set up the other players. One thing is for sure. The dude can dribble and pass. Shooting is not his forte though. I also am not sure that Delonte would lose his starting spot unless Bastian REALLY impresses in training camp. I made that mistake last year when I thought Dickau would immediately step in as the starter. It's Delonte's spot to lose right now as it stands.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 30, 2006 21:10:38 GMT -5
Delonte can very well keep Bassy away from his starting spot. But he's going to have to push the ball a lot, more than he did last year. Delonte's outside shot is a big plus for him.
Whoever can run the pick and roll, and get our team to run the fastbreaks more should be the starter.
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Post by esco33 on Jun 30, 2006 21:41:54 GMT -5
Whoever can run the pick and roll, and get our team to run the fastbreaks more should be the starter. In that case it will be Telfair then. I could see either guy playing with the starting unit or the second unit but its probably better if the guy who can run the team better as a true point guard (Telfair) plays with the first unit and helps Pierce and Wally get good shots. Still, it's going to be tough to take out D West from that starting role I think.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 30, 2006 23:43:06 GMT -5
From bits and pieces of Ainge's interviews in the past 2 days, he seems to be putting Delonte more into the SG role. And how he talks of Telfair, it seems like he's already looking at Bassy as our future PG.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 1, 2006 20:03:02 GMT -5
I would be very happy to keep our roster the way it is and give all of the kids a chance to develop so that we would know what they can do. I would hate to give one up and then see him become an all star on another team. Danny keeps saying he isn't done but if Billy King comes to his senses and realizes he can't trade AI within the division then maybe Danny will stick with what we have for this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2006 13:19:14 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that the best move for Ainge to make right now is to make no moves at all unless its on a small scale for a veteran big man.
Ainge not only fill three biggest needs on this team (True PG, Vet. and defense) and still be able to keep all of our prospects. Why get AI for this franchise? I thought we're going to resort to a Phoenix Suns type of uptempo offense not go back to a two-star system. I can't see us winning alot games with AI and Telfair as our back-court. They're both under 6' feet tall and will get abuse by bigger guards thus more pressure for the frontcourt to hold their ground when players like VC, KB, and DW run down the paint.
Not to mention with AI, it makes absolutely no sense to have Telfair on the court when iverson will dominate the ball most of the time. Might as well got a player like Foye or Roy in the draft if we plan on getting AI on this team. I think Telfair is better suited where he can dominate the ball and not have to worry about giving AI or pierce enough touches in the game.
Stick with the plan Ainge. Develop the young guys and keep the roster intact so we can get some experience as a unit rather than starting a new team every season. You got the ast coaches to help our young guys out so why go get AI? It just doesn't make sense to get him when you are already stack at the 1-2 guards position. If anything go get a big man instead.
Don't get me wrong, AI is definitely a top 10 in the NBA but he isn't the answer for this team. Maybe a team like Chicago or Atlanta who are searching for a go-to guy. But for the celtics, we don't need his scoring. We need defense and he isn't the guy to fill that void.
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Jul 3, 2006 14:18:09 GMT -5
Amen... Great post JHVOS. I agree wholeheartedly. +Karma for you
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Post by eja117 on Jul 3, 2006 15:01:58 GMT -5
Ok I have a question here. I'm getting frustrated and impatient. I am just curious. Can anyone here name me a team that ever DEVELOPED into a championship team? Like they drafted a bunch of young talented guys and then 4 years later won the championship with a bunch of low draft picks? Cause I can't name one. Which makes me think in a year or two we will max out. Maxed. Done. No better. I admit I am not so high on AI. I can see why you'd want to stay put. But there are a lot of teams out there that have young talent that won't win a championship. There is no guarantee at all that Delonte, GG, and AL J will be any better than say D Howard, JJ Redick, and Jameer Nelson. Or Emeka, Sean May, Felton and Morrison. I think the team has a lot of sucks right now (remember that phrase) and will get better but I'm not so sure about championship better while D Wade and Lebron are out there. If we want to be better than them we need talent which is better than them. I think GG can do it and I don't want to trade him, but I'm not so sure about some of these other guys. I think a lot of players on our team are contribute to championship guys, but not win-you- a-championship type guys. That includes Telfair, Rondo, Al J, TA, Ratliff, Pierce, and Scala. The others I think can win you a championship as backups and 6th men, with only GG being a starting star lead you to a championship kinda guy but he can't do it alone. I almost envision this long term as trying to surround him with the pieces to win. And without stars it might not happen. I don't know how bad I want to sit around and wait to see how good they are. Maybe one year and that's it. You can't blame DA for trying to be proactive instead of sitting back and waiting for growth. The time for that was a year or two ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2006 16:04:03 GMT -5
There will always be a possibly that none of this will pan out. I mean !!!GREENIAC!!! if every gm plan always pan out as they vision I think their be less gm getting fired than most. Right now, Ainge is trying to collect good amount of quality players who may or may not pan out. Now he can either put all of his chips into a pot to get a better player or he can sit tight and see what happens when these players start to get it (if they do).
I'm always going to be a celtics fan, win or lose. I have patients to wait for a championship even it may be until I start to get old. For god sakes I'm the same age as most of these players on the Cs. So, I got plenty of time.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 4, 2006 0:28:33 GMT -5
it's about getting right vet at a right time (a la rasheed to detroit). i don't think that getting iverson for example is the way for championship. maybe wait a year, boost the stock of our youngsters ( gg, aj, kp not available in any trade) and then trade for garnett.........
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 4, 2006 0:43:03 GMT -5
In a couple of years, Eja, you will see a bunch of homegrown teams making a big spash in the playoffs. Chicago and Orlando are pretty good examples of teams who have acquired young talent who will be cornerstone players for their teams.
Its possible that we can win a championship with the team we've assembled through the draft. But probably not plausible. Ainge is not going to just sit pretty and wait for each and every one of our draft picks to reach their ceilings. He's just waiting to see which ones are keepers and which ones are expendable. But remember that Ainge has been very active in with the trades. Every year since he's been here, we've had a trade that altered the makeup of our team. We acquired a big talent in Ricky Davis, and then traded him away. We now have Wally Szczerbiak, another big talent who is championship material. He might be here for the long haul, or we may ship him out this summer.
If I'm Ainge, I'd rather make a move for Shawn Marion and not Iverson. We'd have to give up less talent and we'd get a player who will enhance our team and not redirect the plans.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 4, 2006 22:37:37 GMT -5
I would think DA would wet his pants if he had a chance to get Marion. Marion at the 3 and PP at the 2 could be a lethal duo.
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Post by eddietours on Jul 4, 2006 22:43:32 GMT -5
i think houston did draft hakeem then horry and cassell
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