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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 27, 2006 16:34:31 GMT -5
I'm wondering if it would make more sense to bring in a veteran big man, instead of a veteran PG? With Pierce and Wally getting so much touches, the PG duties are somewhat distributed (that is until we establish who our future PG will be--either Delonte or some other PG).
We are one of the league's weaker rebounding team, though I'm sure we'll get much better once Perk and Big Al play together.
During the 2004 draft, it was said that Ainge went to see a lot of Telfair's high school games. There may be a genuine interest here.
But if I had to choose between Foye and Telfair, I'm leaning towards getting Foye.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 27, 2006 17:33:17 GMT -5
I like Telfair as player, but he needs to get back to the basics and realize that only hard work, not arrogance (or flash) will make him a good pro.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 27, 2006 21:50:58 GMT -5
SI has an article breaking down the rumors. I have to agree that if it takes ANY of our kids to get Iverson, it isn't worth it. I am really worried about this one because I just know if it happens we are giving up our future for the sake of a few wins now because before long Danny will be trying to ship Iverson out also... he isn't a team player and won't fit with Pierce on the team. sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/kelly_dwyer/06/27/draft.trades/index.htmlBoston Celtics send Wally Szczerbiak to the Utah Jazz, Philadelphia 76ers send Allen Iverson to the Celtics, Jazz send Carlos Boozer to the 76ers. The only good reason for Boston to do this trade is if they only have to give up the 29-year old Szczerbiak, whose talents are a bit superfluous with Paul Pierce already on board. As good as Iverson can be, if Boston has to give up any part of its young core (Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Delonte West), then this trade has to be considered a setback. And, due to the disparities in the individual salaries of the trade's rumored participants, it appears as if they'll have to throw in a prospect or two just to make the deal feasible -- unless the Sixers or Jazz want to take on the contracts of Brian Scalabrine or Vin Baker. Szczerbiak would appear to be insurance for Utah in case Matt Harpring leaves via free agency, though he provides none of the latter's rebounding or toughness. And though the Sixers would love to dump the 31-year-old Iverson's contract, Boozer's deal actually runs a year longer than AI's, and he plays the same position as Chris Webber, who is due another two years and 43-million bucks. Boston Celtics send 7th pick in Wednesday's Draft to the Chicago Bulls for their 16th pick and Chris Duhon. The rumor here is that Chicago is hoping to see Tyrus Thomas still fall to them at 7th overall, a la Luol Deng (whom they had considered selecting with their third pick) in 2004. It's a nice idea, but it would take a magical combination of luck and teams drafting for need to see that happening. Boston, like Chicago, is pretty stacked with young talent, and Duhon (the 38th pick in the 2004 Draft) would allow Delonte West to play significant minutes at shooting guard -- but is it worth a potential shot at a Thomas, Rudy Gay or Shelden Williams?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jun 28, 2006 0:22:09 GMT -5
it's not worth it. compare tyrus thomas to chris duhon. the conversation should end right there
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 28, 2006 13:38:32 GMT -5
This from the NY Daily News on the Iverson trade rumors. According to this, it is Wally and the 7th pick and not Al or Green. I sure hope so. I DON"T want to give up our future, especially a future all star big man and this year's slam dunk contest winner for Iverson!! www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/430639p-363049c.html
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 28, 2006 13:41:32 GMT -5
What?!!! All it'll take to get Iverson is Wally and the 7th pick? I'm all for it. Sign me up. Iverson is better than any 7th pick we'll get, and he's certainly a better player many times over than Wally (no knock on Wally, I really like this guy).
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 28, 2006 14:07:10 GMT -5
I agree Derren... I would go for a swap if it was Wally and #7.... But if we have to give up Al and Green I am firmly against it....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2006 14:16:10 GMT -5
Wally + 7th pick for AI?
You do that trade without even thinking. I just don't see Philly giving up AI for so little. I think we would have to throw in atleast one of our young guys.
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Post by goceltics34 on Jun 28, 2006 14:44:52 GMT -5
We'll hERE'S THE LATEST. Ric Bucher was just on espnnews and stated that Toronto is going to pick the italian. (Can pronounce his name.) Also the bobcats will pick morrison, which means if thomas and aldrige go 2 & 4, and atlanta has already given a promise to shelden williams at 5, then Roy or Gay slides to us. Here's the intrigue, bucher thinks teams will be salivating to get to number 7 if one of those players is available. He thinks if that happens the telfair deal isnt going to happen.
Listening to the station in philly , they love randy foye. So with either Roy, foye or gay being on the board we now have the leverage in any trade talks.
Didnt hear anything on the iverson front. I think they're is something seriously brewing though. Cant wait till 7!!!!!!!!
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 28, 2006 15:27:36 GMT -5
Some interesting stuff from Chad today. Garnett to the Bulls? It makes sense if they are truly looking to move him. Danny lie? Never.... I don't put too much stock in what Danny says in that on FSN the day of the Wally trade, he said he didn't have anything in the works. The day before he traded Walker the first time he said he had no intention of trading Antoine. The day he brought him back he said there was no truth to the rumor that he was bringing Walker back... so take it with a grain of salt when he assures Chad that the trade is not going to happen. I don't mind Iverson coming to Boston ... but don't want to give up ANY of our kids to do it. (Well, maybe D Jones or Allen) but NOT Al or Green. insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=ford_chad#20060628Garnett trade in the works? posted: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 I'm feeling very confident that the Toronto Raptors will make Andrea Bargnani the No. 1 pick in the draft. After that, things get fuzzy. Will the Chicago Bulls trade the No. 2 pick? The hot rumor floating among GMs this morning was that the Bulls and Timberwolves might pull off a blockbuster Kevin Garnett deal, sending picks No. 2 (Tyrus Thomas) and No. 16 (probably Marcus Williams) along with either Luol Deng or Ben Gordon to Minnesota for Garnett.Blockbuster deals are very difficult to pull off at this time of year. Given the Bulls' cap situation, they'd have to wait until after July 1 to clear the cap space to make it happen. I'm skeptical the Wolves are ready to trade Garnett, but otherwise the trade makes a lot of sense.If the Bulls keep the pick... I talked to GM John Paxson on Tuesday night, and he appeared close to making up his mind between LaMarcus Aldridge and Tyrus Thomas. There were reports today that Shelden Williams might be in the mix there, but I'm not buying that. Paxson didn't mention his name. Paxson told me that Bargnani was also seriously in the mix for Chicago at No. 2. I think this helped end trade talks for the Raptors. They were looking at trading down a few spots in the draft, but once they were convinced Bargnani would be gone at No. 2, they knew they had to keep the No. 1 pick. Charlotte is the real wild card this afternoon. When I talked to GM Bernie Bickerstaff on Tuesday night, he said the team was still undecided and might wait until right before the draft to make its decision. He said four guys were in the mix: Rudy Gay, Adam Morrison, Brandon Roy and Andrea Bargnani.Several sources I talked to Tuesday night and this morning think it's Gay. Why? In part because Bobcats co-owner Michael Jordan was impressed that Gay was willing to work out for him and upset that Roy blew off the workout. As for Morrison, I think he was the early favorite, but I continue to hear that MJ isn't a fan. For what it's worth, Morrison's agent, Mark Bartelstein, told me this afternoon that he believes the Bobcats will take Morrison, but he says that's just his gut feeling. He was more adamant that I was wrong when I put LaMarcus Aldridge ahead of Morrison for the Portland Trail Blazers in this morning's mock draft.I'm getting lots of e-mails about that, many filled with profanity -- the general theme is that Blazers fans would be ready to storm the Rose Garden if their team passes on Morrison. Bartelstein thinks there's "no way" the Blazers pass on him. But after what I heard Tuesday night, I think Aldridge is their guy. The Celtics and Allen Iverson rumors continue to churn. GM Danny Ainge told Insider on Tuesday that an Iverson-to-the-Celtics trade was "not going to happen." I don't think Danny would lie to me. But this is the time of year when you can't trust anyone.Finally, I've made some changes in my mock draft based on talk around the league. I'm hearing that Mouhamed Saer Sene might be the pick for Seattle at No. 10, if the Sonics don't trade the pick.The Hornets have Hilton Armstrong and Cedric Simmons ranked higher than Patrick O'Bryant, meaning O'Bryant could be in for a major draft-day slide if the Warriors don't take him at No. 9. We always thought the Hornets would be the backstop for O'Bryant at No. 15, but several sources insist the Hornets are taking Memphis' Shawne Williams there. That could complicate things for Indiana at No. 17 and Sacramento at No. 19. It would be hard to pass on O'Bryant if he slips that far. If Williams is gone before No. 20, that puts the Knicks in an interesting situation. They like Florida State's Alexander Johnson and tried to work him out this morning. But he sprained his ankle in a workout against Leon Powe in Memphis and wasn't able to do a full workout for the Knicks.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 28, 2006 15:35:35 GMT -5
Here is a classic post from Jeff over on CelticsBlog... I LOVE IT!! Goes right along with the last post... celticsblog.net/blog/?p=742Whenever I think of Danny Ainge and Chad Ford having a phone conversation, somehow I picture it going something like this: Chad: So, I hear you have given Ukic a promise at 18. Ainge: Ludicrous Chad: Come on, you can tell me, I won’t say a word. Ainge: No matter what I say to you, you are going to use it to prove your theory, aren’t you? How about I just tell you the truth and you can do with it what you want? Chad: Inconceivable! Ainge: I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Chad: Now, a clever GM would never tell me the truth straight out. Ainge: Ok, then I’m lying. Chad: Ahh, but only a fool would fall for such an obvious ploy by a clever GM. You know that I know you are a clever GM, and I know that you know that I am no fool, so clearly you must not be lying. Ainge: Your logic is dizzying. Chad: I’m just getting started! Now I know that you said you were going to draft Marcus Banks and Kendrick Perkins, and you did. So clearly you must be telling the truth. Still, you said that you were going to take Robert Swift and influenced Seattle’s decision to take him, pushing Al Jefferson down to you, so clearly you must be lying to help your draft position. Ainge: Now you’re just stalling. Chad: You told the world that you didn’t like Antoine Walker’s game and you traded him away, so clearly you must be telling the truth. However, you also traded to get him again so clearly you must be lying. Then again, you might not resign him so clearly you must be telling the truth! Ainge: Are we done here? Chad: Yes! I know exactly what you are going to do on draft night! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is “Never get involved in a land war in Asia”, but only slightly less well known is this: “Never go in against an Insider, when *draft rumors* are on the line.”. Hahahahahah.
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